Thank you for the information, I did check the Ontario site and now have the burial date and location for Charles Kidner his wife Helen Lavrock Kidner and their oldest son and name sake of Charles' father Francis Kidner.
The Hamilton Branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society is such a pleasure to work with.
If they can find the obituaries, will let you know who their parents are, possibly there is a connection.
Thank you again for the information.
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