Re: Patience Kemp/Samuel Saybury Confusion
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In reply to:
Patience Kemp/Samuel Saybury Confusion
Norris Taylor 5/26/98
I'm the person who asked the question. Found this at the library today. Those people carrying this lady in their databases may want to re-evaluate her placment. There may have been new evidence or thinking come to light since 1903, but I didn't find any in the NEHGR index.
NEHGR, Vol 57, 1903, Pg 416-7:
NEHGR, Vol 57, 1903, Pg 416-7:"Partridge - Kemp - Thacher - Seabury. Elizabeth, daughter of the Rev. Ralph Partidge of Duxbury, was married first to William Kemp, who was of Duxbury, Jan 7, 1638/9; proposed freeman March 5, of the same year; and who died before Nov 2, 1641, when his widow Elizabeth was granted adminstration on his estate. By her first husband, William Kemp, she had Patience, her eldest daughter, who, November 16, 1660 (town record), was married to Samuel Seabury, physcian, of Duxbury. The widow Elizabeth (Partridge) Kemp was married May 11, 1643, (Thacher's Thacher Fam.) to his first wife and the mother of his children. See Plymouth Col. Rec., and, in particular, the grant of land to Samuel Seabury "son-in-law" of William Kemp; will of Rev. Ralph Partridge, (Register, Vol 47, Pg 279), compare diary of Rev. Peter Thacher (History of Milton, pg 279). A comparison of dates leaves no doubt of this family connection as stated."
"Partridge - Kemp - Thacher - Seabury. Elizabeth, daughter of the Rev. Ralph Partidge of Duxbury, was married first to William Kemp, who was of Duxbury, Jan 7, 1638/9; proposed freeman March 5, of the same year; and who died before Nov 2, 1641, when his widow Elizabeth was granted adminstration on his estate. By her first husband, William Kemp, she had Patience, her eldest daughter, who, November 16, 1660 (town record), was married to Samuel Seabury, physcian, of Duxbury. The widow Elizabeth (Partridge) Kemp was married May 11, 1643, (Thacher's Thacher Fam.) to his first wife and the mother of his children. See Plymouth Col. Rec., and, in particular, the grant of land to Samuel Seabury "son-in-law" of William Kemp; will of Rev. Ralph Partridge, (Register, Vol 47, Pg 279), compare diary of Rev. Peter Thacher (History of Milton, pg 279). A comparison of dates leaves no doubt of this family connection as stated."Note: I have seen web references to Patience being a daughter of Thomas Thatcher, then that daughter marrying William Kemp, Jr, having a Patience Kemp, and that daughter marrying Samuel Seabury. That connection is impossible and couldn't have happened, since Sam and Patience got married in 1660.
Note: I have seen web references to Patience being a daughter of Thomas Thatcher, then that daughter marrying William Kemp, Jr, having a Patience Kemp, and that daughter marrying Samuel Seabury. That connection is impossible and couldn't have happened, since Sam and Patience got married in 1660.I have seen references to a Patience (Thatcher) Kemp, structured as the child of Thatcher/Eliabeth above, but without showing the marriage of the daughter Patience to Samuel Seabury, attributed to "Mayflower Increasings, 1996 Edition". Whether the author of that 1996 book is merely repeating the error of previous works ignorant of the above article, or knew about the article, explored it, and formed a disagreement is yet to be seen.
I have seen references to a Patience (Thatcher) Kemp, structured as the child of Thatcher/Eliabeth above, but without showing the marriage of the daughter Patience to Samuel Seabury, attributed to "Mayflower Increasings, 1996 Edition". Whether the author of that 1996 book is merely repeating the error of previous works ignorant of the above article, or knew about the article, explored it, and formed a disagreement is yet to be seen.I am presently using the 1903 article structure in my database for the present, as I see no other scenario that makes sense.
I am presently using the 1903 article structure in my database for the present, as I see no other scenario that makes sense.