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We don't really know if Khazars arrived in Poland
Posted by: Kevin Brook (ID *****2311) Date: August 07, 2004 at 21:28:13
In Reply to: Re: DNA from Europeans and Central Asian Khazars by ellen coffman of 5774

With reference to Leoni's paper on the Jews of Ciechanowiec, Meir Balaban towards the end of his career was no longer a proponent of Isaac Schipper's theories about Khazar farmers settling Poland, but had become a harsh critic. He and others started to question the speculations about place-names named after Khazars. Basically, he and his colleagues concluded that there is no evidence to connect those places to Khazars. I don't know if I have heard of a "Khazar Street" in that village called Kosarze near Ciechanowiec (I wonder what the original Polish form of the street name is?), but it seems to again be at least questionable as to whether it's Khazarian depending on the spelling employed on that street. Maybe Leoni is right that it's a mystery we can't either prove or disprove, but scholars have tended to be adamant that the Polish place-names are not Khazarian. I think the case is stronger for Khazar place-names in Hungary and Volga Russia.

As for the Council of the Hungarian clergy at Pressburg mentioned by Dunlop, I have been unable to locate the document Dunlop refers to, nor is it cited by other scholars, so I wonder in what archive I could find it. I think it's a legitimate document, since Dunlop was not prone to invent facts, but I'd like to be able to source it and quote it directly. And keep in mind that the clergy wrote a document, and that this is not archaeological evidence.

A lot of scholars are asleep at the switch when it comes to exploring unknown issues like this. Timothy Miller discovered literary evidence that Khazars had lived in the Jewish community of Pera, near Constantinople, and he reported this as early as 1991 in an obscure conference paper, but Miller was unable to convince others in Byzantine studies of the importance of this source in relation to the Khazars, and NO ONE IN KHAZAR STUDIES SAW THE REPORT until I came across it by good fortune while searching on the Internet for new Khazar-related materials as I do at least once a month. It is really weird that during the mid-to-late 1990s I was looking for conclusive proof that Khazars had intermarried other Jews and lived in Jewish quarters, when all along it was already discovered, just unknown to me and everybody else, but sometimes the quest is more exciting than the end result. The Pera report SHOULD have been known and available to us all earlier, so that it could have been part of the first edition of my book and part of our other writings, as it answers one of the questions we wanted answered a long, long time.


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