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It's good to hear from you. I would like to know more about the descendants of Isa Dora Ivens and Joseph Shirk. I, too, have some information about the eighteen children but not a great deal. My grandparents Charles H. Ivens b. April 29, 1879 in Monroe Co. in TN and Buna White had four sons: Carl E. Ivens, Murrell D. Ivens, Henry Leeree Ivens, and Ray L. Ivens. Buna died when Ray was a baby. Shortly after her death, Charles and the boys moved to Knoxville, TN. If you are interested in exchanging information, email me.