Re: Irish Parish tHOMAS wILLIAM KEELAN, OR THOMAS EDWARD kEELAN
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Re: Irish Parish tHOMAS wILLIAM KEELAN, OR THOMAS EDWARD kEELAN
Trudy Meredith 5/28/04
Hello Trudy,
I can see why that without a birth or death certificate for Thomas Keelan, you are having a difficult time finding out anything about him.
Without these records, especially his death record, it will be even more to tedious to know where to continue the search.
But, I did find information at the Mormon Church site at www.familysearch.org that gives a birth and marriage year for Thomas, and the name of his wife. Actually, I found two records for Thomas Keelan. One which places his year of birth in 1801, but does not give information about his marriage, and another record which places his year of birth in 1811 and his year of marriage in 1839.
The 1801 birth entry is first:
THOMAS KEELAN
Male
Event(s):
Birth:1801Hiruharama, Auckland, New Zealand
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:KEELAN
Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.
Source Information:
Batch Number:8132393
Sheet:55
Source Call No.: 0884711
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You may be able to find more information about Thomas Keelan by ordering Film Number 0884711, which you can order from your local Family History Center. The information about Thomas Keelan found on the film number was submitted to the Mormon Church, by a member of the Mormon Church. I don't know however, how much extra information will be found on Film Number 0884711, above and beyond what you see in the 1801 birth record itself.
According to record, Thomas was, as you can see, born in Hiruharama, Auckland, New Zealand. I believe that Hiruharama today, is also known as Jerusalem, and is located about 125 miles south of Auckland.
The next record is for the 1811 birth of Thomas and his marriage to Hara Ngahuia in the year 1839, in Hiruharama:
THOMAS KEELAN
Male
Event(s):
Birth:About 1811Of, Hiruharama, Auckland, New Zealand
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse:HARA NGAHUIA OR KONEWA
Marriage:About 1839Hiruharama, Auckland, New Zealand
Source Information:
Batch Number:F834091
Sheet:009
Source Call No.: 1395686
Messages:
Family group record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record includes the submitter's name and address and names and relationships of family members. The address may be outdated. Some information is estimated. To find the record on the film, you must know the batch and sheet number.
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To see if you can find out more information about this record, you will also want to order Film Number 1395686 from your local Family History Center.
Unfortunately, neither record gives the names of Thomas Keelan's mother and father, other than to list Keelan for the father in the 1801 record, which is no help at all.
One of the problems is that I don't believe there will be a birth certificate for him going back to 1801 or 1811 in New Zealand. The New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs, only has birth, marriage, and death records as far back as 1848.
Likewise, it doesn't appear there will be a record of marriage for Thomas either, because he was married in 1839.
For more information about the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs, go to the website at:
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.NSF/wpg_URL/Services-Births-Deaths-and-Marriages-Finding-Family-History-Records?OpenDocumenthttp://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.NSF/wpg_URL/Services-Births-Deaths-and-Marriages-Finding-Family-History-Records?OpenDocument
If Thomas were married in a Maori ceremony, I don't believe there would be a record for that either.
I also found online Mormon Church birth records for two of Thomas's children. These are Wi Keelan and Erana Pricilla Keelan. The Mormon Church entry shows that Erana and Pricilla were one and the same person. In your message you had said that Erana and Pricilla were the two daughters of Thomas, which means the entry from the Mormon Church site could be incorrect.
Those birth records are next:
WI KEELAN
Male
Event(s):
Birth:About 1840Hiruharama, Auckland, New Zealand
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:THOMAS KEELAN
Mother:HARA NGAHUIA OR KONEWA
Messages:
Family group record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record includes the submitter's name and address and names and relationships of family members. The address may be outdated. Some information is estimated. To find the record on the film, you must know the batch and sheet number.
Source Information:
Batch Number:F834091
Sheet:009
Source Call No.: Source Information:
Batch Number:F834091
Sheet:009
Source Call No.:1395686
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You may also be able to find more information about the birth of Wi Keelan on Film Number 1395686, which is the same Film Number listed for the 1811 birth and 1839 marriage of Thomas Keelan.
The next record is for the birth of Erana Pricilla Keelan circa 1842:
ERANA PRISCILLA KEELAN
Female
Event(s):
Birth:About 1842Hiruharama, Auckland, New Zealand
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:THOMAS KEELAN
Mother:HARA NGAHUIA OR KONEWA
Messages:
Family group record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record includes the submitter's name and address and names and relationships of family members. The address may be outdated. Some information is estimated. To find the record on the film, you must know the batch and sheet number.
Source Information:
Batch Number:F834091
Sheet:009
Source Call No.: 1395686
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This record also references Film Number 1395686. But again I'm not sure how much more information you'll find on this one Film Number.
Also Trudy, in your message you didn't state if Thomas Keelan was a Catholic or Protestant. But there is a possibility that if there was a Catholic or Protestant Church in Hiruharama in the early to mid 1800s, a record of baptism and marriage for Thomas may have been recorded. In addition there may also be baptism records for his two children if a church existed in Hiruharama, depending on what religious denomination Thomas had belonged to.
If you are aware of a church in Hiruharama that the Keelan family may have attended, you should write to the church to see if there are any parish registers that begin in the early 1800s.
By the way, I also found another birth entry for a daughter named Erana Keelan, but in this entry Erana was born in 1868 in Ruatoria, Auckland. Her parents are shown to be William Thomas Keelan and Hana Konewa. I am not sure if the father in this birth record pertains to your Thomas however.
That record follows:
Erana Keelan
Female
Event(s):
Birth:About 1868Ruatoria, Auckland, New Zealand
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:William Thomas Keelan
Mother:Hana Konewa
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
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Because this birth took place in 1868, the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs may have the birth record on file, which could give you further information about the parents.
Moving forward in time I also found a 1911 Ruatoria birth record for an Erana Teokore Keelan whose parents are listed as Wi Koka Keelan, and Turuhira Whakingaterangi Mahemahe. As you will see, this Erana died in 1929, and that her father is listed as Wi Koka Keelan. Wi Koka Keelan may have been the grandson of your Thomas Keelan, but I can't prove that just by looking at this Erana's birth record, which is next:
Erana Teokore Keelan
Female
Event(s):
Birth:1911Ruatoria, Auckland, New Zealand
Christening:
Death:1923
Burial:
Parents:
Father:Wi Koka Keelan
Mother:Turuhira Whakingaterangi Mahemahe
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
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You could also send away for this birth and death certificate from the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs, to see if these certificates give any further information about the Keelan family.
Also concerning New Zealand death records as relates to Thomas, the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs staff will search for his death record, even if you don't know the year he had died.
See the information below about death records, which comes from the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs:
"We will search for the event one year on either side of the year you quote, for the standard search fee. If you are not sure about the actual year when the birth, death or marriage took place you can ask us to search over a broader range of years. If a broader search is requested the fee for the first three years specified will be NZ$15.00, and each additional year specified will be NZ$1.00."
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As you can see, it can become quite expensive engaging the services of the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs, but this may be the only way you'll be able to see if there is a death certificate for Thomas Keelan or not.
Go to the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs website for more particulars about ordering death records, and the full costs involved.
Also, in your message you had stated that in the roster for the 1st Waikato Regiment, you only found Thomas's signature. Did you get this roster from the Archives of New Zealand Office? The Archives has records of the Waikato Militia for the years 1863-1872.
If you hadn't already looked at the records from the Archives Office, you can contact the Chief Archivist named Dianne Macaskill, and ask her advise about continuing your research.
Information about the Waikato Militia and contact information for Diane Macaskill at the Archives of New Zealand Office, follows:
Military Settlers 1863-1872
The four regiments of Waikato Militia were raised as military settlers, being part of a plan to pacify areas in the Waikato and Bay of Plenty after the New Zealand Wars. Many of the men were recruited in Australia. Their service entitled them to land grants, but much of the land surveyed was unsuitable for farming and was deserted or bought up by speculators. Head Office Wellington holds nominal and descriptive rolls for all four regiments [AD 76, Repro 14-17], as well as an index [Repro 62]. Land Registers [AD 77] are also held for some regiments. The Auckland Regional Office hold pay and acquittance lists for Headquarters, staff, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Waikato Regiments [AAAE A456].
Chief Archivist:Dianne Macaskill
Telephone:(64-4) 499-5595
Reference Helpdesk Telephone:(64-4) 495-6226
Facsimile:(64-4) 495 6210
Email Address:[email protected]
Location:10 Mulgrave Street, Thorndon, Wellington
Postal Address:PO Box 12-050 Wellington, New Zealand
Open:9.00 a.m. - 5.00 p.m. Monday to Friday
9.00 a.m. - 1.00 p.m. Saturday (Exhibitions Only)
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In addition Trudy, if you haven't already done so, you should consider posting a message on the New Zealand GenWeb message board. You never know if someone is or will be searching for the same ancestors as you are.
The website for the New Zealand GenWeb message board can be found at:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.oceania.newzealand.generalhttp://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.oceania.newzealand.general
There is also a link from the New Zealand GenWeb site which pertains to posting messages specifically for Auckland. I checked this site and found no listings for any Keelans, so your message, if you choose to leave one, would be the first.
The Auckland Message Board site is at:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.oceania.newzealand.aucklandhttp://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.oceania.newzealand.auckland
While the New Zealand GenWeb site itself can be found at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzlwgw/http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzlwgw/
I'm sorry I couldn't be much help with locating many records for Thomas Keelan. Please don't hesitate to write if you have any questions.
Cheers Trudy,
Dave
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Re: Irish Parish tHOMAS wILLIAM KEELAN, OR THOMAS EDWARD kEELAN
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Re: Irish Parish tHOMAS wILLIAM KEELAN, OR THOMAS EDWARD kEELAN