Re: CULLINAN (HELP!)- Patrick & Hannah - Clare, Magherareagh,Keelkyle
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CULLINAN (HELP!)- Patrick & Hannah - Clare, Magherareagh,Keelkyle
Robert Cullinan 1/16/04
Hello Robert,
According to information found in a book by Brian Mitchell called "A Guide
To Irish Parish Registers," the Catholic Registers for the Catholic Parish
Church that served Inagh & Kilnamona, commence in the year 1850.
If Patrick Cullinan was indeed born in 1846, as noted in the 1901 census of
Keelkyle, his baptism of course would not be in these parish registers, as
he would have been born four years before the parish began to keep records
of baptisms, marriages, and deaths.
However, in some cases, ages in census records can be off by a few years,
which means you should still look at the Inagh & Kilnamona Parish Registers
for the baptism of a Patrick Cullinan. In addition, you should also look at
these registers to see if other Cullinan children were baptized in the
parish, as these children could be related to your Patrick, perhaps as his
siblings.
I checked with the Mormon Church's online family History Library Catalog to
see if the Mormon Church had filmed the Catholic registers for Inagh &
Kilnamona, but found that these registers were not microfilmed.
This means you would have to write to the Parish Priest serving the Inagh
Catholic Church, (if you haven't already done so) to search the registers
for you.
You can address your letter to:
Parish Priest
Kilnamona (Inagh)
Parochial House,
Kilnamona, Ennis,
County Clare, Ireland
Telephone: 011.353.65.6829-507
If you write to the Parish Priest, I recommend that you enclose a donation
as a way of thanking the priest for his help. 15 to 20 Irish Euros would be
a good donation. When I wrIte to priests for parish records I usually just
throw the currency into the envelope with my letter, as international money
orders are very expensive.
But if you do not feel comfortable sending money through the mail, then an
international money order would be the may to go.
You can ask the priest to search for any baptisms and even marriages for people with the last name of Cullinan. Baptism records for any Cullinans may pertain to siblings of Patrick, born from 1850 and afterward. Baptism records, in turn, should mention the names of the parents.
These parents could also be the parents of Patrick.
There is also the possibility that Patrick and Hannah were married in the Inagh
Parish Church, but I believe they would have been married in the Catholic
Church serving Mullagh, as weddings in Ireland traditionally took place in
the bride's parish.
But, on the off chance they were married in Inagh, you could ask the priest
to search for their wedding.
If their daughter Bridget was born in 1878, and if Patrick and Hannah had no
other children before her, their marriage probably took place between 1875
and 1877.
But again, I believe they may have been married in the parish church where
Hannah was born, which was Mullagh.
Mullagh, where the 1901 census says Hannah was born, and also where five of
the seven Cullinan children were born, was serviced by the Catholic Parish
known as Kilmurry-Ibrickane, also spelled sometimes as Kilmurry-Ibricken.
According to Mitchell's book, the Catholic Parish Registers for
Kilmurry-Ibrickane, go back to the year 1839. If Hannah was baptized in this
parish in 1851, her baptism record should be in these registers, as would
the names of her parents.
But, as you don't know what her maiden name was, you would first want to
search for her marriage record to Patrick Cullinan, as the marriage record
should provide you with Hannah's maiden name.
Check for the marriage record in the mid-1870s, as mentioned earlier, and if
you do find her maiden name, then you can go back in time in the registers
and look for her baptism record circa 1851.
Fortunately, the Mormon Church has filmed some of the parochial records for
the church that served Mullagh, this being the Catholic Parish of
Kilmurry-Ibrickane. These records on film go from 1839 to 1880, and should
also contain the baptism records of Bridget and Patrick.
Below is information about these registers, plus the microfilm number you
can order for the registers from your local Family History Center:
Parochial registers of Kilmurry Ibricken (Clare), 1839-1880
Authors Catholic Church. Parish of Kilmurry Ibricken (Clare) (Main Author)
Notes Microfilm of original records.
The Catholic parish of Kilmurry Ibricken or Kilmurray Ibrickane, currently
Mullagh, contains the civil parish of Kilmurry (Ibrickan Barony).
Some writing is faded and illegible.
Baptisms and marriages, 1839-1880.
Film Number: 926101
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Because the Mormon Church has only microfilmed these registers to 1880, they
would only include the baptism entries for Bridget Cullinan, born 1878, and
Patrick Cullinan, born in 1879, and not for any of the other Cullinan
children born after the year 1880.
You would have to write to the Parish Priest in Mullagh, to see if he can
locate the baptisms of the Cullinan children, John, Susan, and Michael, who
were also born in Mullagh, according to the 1901 census.
You can address your letter to:
The Parish Priest,
Mullagh,
County Clare,
Ireland
Also Robert, the Irish government, beginning in 1864, instituted the Civil
Registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious
denominations.
Because the 1901 census shows the years and the places where the Cullinan
children were born, you can send away for their baptism certificates from
the General Register Office (GRO) in Dublin. Certificates cost roughly
$10-$12 American currency, depending upon the exchange rate.
However, the GRO staff require that you know the maiden name of the mother
of the Cullinan children. If you send away for the birth certs of the
Cullinan children without providing their mother's maiden name, you may not receive
their birth certificates, and you would not receive your money back.
If you do find the parish marriage entry for Patrick and Hannah, and the
parish baptisms for their children, you should then have Hannah's maiden
name.
It's at this time that you would then be able to send away for the birth
certificates of the Cullinan children from the GRO. Also, once you confirm
Hannah's maiden name, and the year of the marriage of Patrick Cullinan and
Hannah, you would also be able to send to the GRO for their civil
certificate of marriage.
But again, obtain as much information from the parish registers first,
before sending away for certificates from the GRO.
Information about the GRO can be found at:
http://www.groireland.ie/http://www.groireland.ie/
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Concerning the births of Maurice and Katy Cullinan: They were born in
Derrymore, according to the 1901 census.
There are actually several Derrymores in County Clare, one of which is near
Ennistymon, in the Civil parish of Clooney. From information I found online,
this Derrymore was within the Magherareagh D.E.D.
I believe this is the Derrymore where Maurice and Katie Cullinan were born.
For the Civil Parish map of Cloony, showing the townland of Derrymore, and also
Keelkyle, go to:
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/clouney_townlands.htmhttp://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/clouney_townlands.htm
The Mormon Church has only microfilmed the Parish Registers for Derrymore
from the years 1870-1880. These Parish Registers should be in the
Ennistymon, Clare Catholic Church registers, which is called "Our Lady and
St. Michael" Catholic Church.
Because Maurice and Katy were born after 1880, you will have to write to the
Priest in Ennistymon, and ask him to search for their baptism certificates.
You can address your letter:
The Parish Priest,
Our Lady and St. Michael Catholic Church,
Ennistymon, County Clare,
Ireland
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Also, have you looked at the 1911 census return, to see how many children of
Patrick and Hannah may still have been living in the Townland of Keelkyle?
It's also possible that Patrick and Hannah, if still living, are in the 1911
census as well.
They may not have all lived as a family in 1911 though. Aside from Michael,
who emigrated to America between 1905 and 1908, other Cullinan children may
have set up their own households in Keelkyle, and may also be in the census.
But, if the Cullinan girls were married by 1911, and did not emigrate, it
may be more difficult to find them in the census, as they would have gone by
their married names.
The Mormon Church has microfilmed the 1911 census for Keelkyle. Please see
below for information and microfilm number:
Census returns, Clooney Parish (Clare, Barony of Corcomroe)
1911 Magherareagh D.E.D. 50/1-11 Townlands: Ballyvranneen, Derrymore,
Feagreen, Garraun, Illaunbaun, Keelkyle, Knockacarn, Knockacullea North,
Knockacullea South, Knockatullaghaun, KnockneppyFHL BRITISH Film
2046036
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It's also possible that by 1911, some of the Cullinans could have moved to
the other townlands you see listed above, within the Magherareagh District
Enumeration Division (D.E.D.), in the Civil Parish of Clooney.
One other record I'd like to mention that may pertain to your Cullinan
ancestors, is called Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation was a land
survey enumerated in all 32 counties of Ireland between the years 1846 and
1864. The purpose of Griffiths Valuation was to determine how much land
and buildings were worth, and then tax the occupier(s) for that property, based on its worth.
Unlike a census though, Griffiths only lists heads of households, not whole families.
The enumeration of Grififths in County Clare occurred in the year 1855. That
was nine years after your Patrick Cullinan was born in Inagh.
In the 1901 census you will notice that Patrick's first born son was also
named Patrick. In Irish naming patterns, a son was often named after his
grandfather, which also means that the older Patrick Cullinan's father would
most likely also have been named Patrick.
This Patrick may be the Patrick Cullinan I found in Griffiths Valuation for
the Civil Parish of Inagh, living in the townland of Ballyduff More.
Your direct ancestors may have come from the town of Ballyduff More in the
Civil Parish of Inagh.
Please see the Griffiths entry below, which was found at the subscription
website called Ireland of Other Days.
Occupier: PATRICK CULLINAN
Lessor: CAPT. CHAS. O'CALLAGHAN
Townland: BALLYDUFF MORE
Civil Parish: INAGH
Barony: Inchiquin (part of)
County: Clare
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The Lessor, Captain Charles O'Callaghan, was the person who either owned the
land that Patrick leased, or was the middleman for the owner of the land.
The Other Days website does not allow the full Griffiths record to be copied and pasted, but other information pertaining to Patrick Cullinan shows that Patrick leased a House, Office, and Land. Office, in this case, would have meant an outbuilding such as a barn, shed, etc.
Griffiths further shows the land Patrick occupied was over 25 acres in size,
and was worth 6 Pounds, 15 shillings. The buildings were worth 5 Shillings.
The total Valuation of the land and property that Patrick Cullinan occupied
in Ballyduff More was 7 Pounds.
This Patrick Cullinan was the only Patrick Cullinan I could find in a
location called Inagh.
He may have been your ancestor.
If the Parish Priest in Kilnamona (Inagh), sends you information about any
siblings of Patrick Cullinan (the older Patrick mentioned in the 1901
census), as having been baptized in the Inagh parish, check to see if the
townland of Ballyduff More is mentioned.
If so, you would then have another piece of information showing that your
particular Cullinans may have come from Ballyduff More, in the Civil Parish
of Inagh.
On another note, I found a very comprehensive website devoted to the Cullinan/Cullinane surname, at the "The Cullinan & Cullinane Family Genealogy Project," website. This website has a searchable database for the Cullinan surname in Clare and other Irish counties. You can find this website at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ccfgpw/notavail.htm#Lettershttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ccfgpw/notavail.htm#Letters
Concerning American records, I also checked the Ellis Island database you
had mentioned for Michael Cullinan. I wanted to see if any of the Michael
Cullinan's listed came from either Derrymore, Keelkyle, or Ennistymon between 1905 and
1908, as these are the towns where they had either lived in, or near, in
1901.
Because Ennistymon is close to Derrymore and Keelkyle, people were likely to mention
Ennistymon as their home, as the name of Ennistymon is more recognizable.
For instance, I have cousins who live in a small village in Ireland called
Ballycommon, which is a few miles away form Nenagh, in County Tipperary.
They tell people they are from Nenagh rather than Ballycommon, because
Nenagh is the more recognizable of the two placenames.
At the Ellis Island site I found two Michael Cullinans who landed in New
York between 1903 and 1908, who are listed as coming from Ennistymon, or as
one of the records states, from "Ennistymore."
Please see the records which follow:
Name: Cullinan, Michl.
Ethnicity: Ireland, Irish
Place of Residence: Ennistymon
Date of Arrrival: April 13, 1903
Age on Arrival: 20y
Gender: M
Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Ivernia
Port of Departure: Queenstown, Cork, Munster, Ireland
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Name: Cullinan, Michael
Ethnicity: Ireland, Irish
Place of Residence: Ennistymore, Ireland
Date of Arrival: September 14, 1907
Age on Arrival: 19y
Gender: M
Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Lucania
Port of Departure: Queenstown, Cork, Munster, Ireland
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Michael Cullinan, according to the 1901 census was born in 1885. Neither of
the Michael Cullinans listed above, according to their ages, would have been
born in that year.
The first Michael Cullinan would have been born in 1883, while the second
Michael would have been born in 1888.
It's just too difficult to tell by looking at immigration records online, if
an ancestor has been found. There's also a possibility that Michael Cullinan
came to the U.S. through the Port of Boston, and then headed for Niagara
Falls, New York from there.
If you are not certain of Michael's Port of entry into the United States,
I'd like to suggest a book that may help you find his immigration record.
This book is called, "They Came In Ships," by John P. Colletta.
The text of the paperback edition is only 82 pages long, but the book
contains a lot of useful information about how to find your ancestor's port
of entry through indexes, and also the microfilm that would contain his
actual immigration record.
The book is printed by Ancestry. Your local library may have a copy. I
believe I purchased my copy either through Barnes & Nobel or Amazon.com
It may take some research on your part, but by following the suggestions in
"They Came In Ships," you should increase your chance of finding Michael
Cullinan's immigration record.
Before closing you may be interested to know the meanings of the place-names
associated with your Cullinan ancestors.
Inagh, in the Irish language (spelled Eidhnean), means "Ivy.
Mullagh, spelled "Mullach," in Irish, means a "Hilltop."
Derrymore, spelled Doire Mor, means the "Large Oak Grove."
Good luck with your research Robert. Navigating through Irish parish records, and especially County Clare records can be daunting, because your ancestors had lived in several different locations in the 19th and 20th centuries.
If looking at microfilms from the Mormon Church and writing to Catholic Parish priests will expend more time than you have, you can also consider having a genealogical center do the research for you. This will cost more money than if you were to do the research yourself, however.
The Clare Heritage and Genealogical Centre in Corofin, Clare, will have most if not all the Catholic Parish Registers for the locations where your Cullinan ancestors had lived.
They would also have access to Civil Registrations of birth, marriages, and deaths.
You can find information about the Clare Heritage and Genealogical Centre at the following website: http://www.goireland.com/Genealogy/Html/counties/Clare.htmhttp://www.goireland.com/Genealogy/Html/counties/Clare.htm
You will have to write to the center first, to obtain prices and more information about research.
Please write if you find any information about your Cullinan ancestors.
Dave Boylan
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Re: CULLINAN (HELP!)- Patrick & Hannah - Clare, Magherareagh,Keelkyle
Robert Cullinan 1/19/04
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Re: CULLINAN (HELP!)- Patrick & Hannah - Clare, Magherareagh,Keelkyle
David Boylan 1/19/04
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Re: CULLINAN (HELP!)- Patrick & Hannah - Clare, Magherareagh,Keelkyle