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Dr. Howard,
Thank you for your reply, while a bit curt, it is appreciated none the less.
Lets take this point by point, you most certainly did request imformation from me. Message # 10271, when you stated that if Howard or I could supply "more formidable 'sources'", I have done that in my messages 10266 and 10274. No, I have not given extracts of the information to be found in these sources, that is because the intent was for you to look them up and research them for yourself.
I must apologize at this point, because I see that your e-mail address is attached at the bottom of message 10271.
As to my e-mail address, it is not hidden, and can be acessed by clicking on my name, which will also show you my posting history.
I received my training through several methods. First I attended Samford University in Birmingham, and took a degree from their Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research, 2000, which I rounded off with further study at the British Institute of Genealogy & Historical Research (the British extention of Samford Univ.)2001, then back to the states to attend the National Institute on Genealogical Research, Washington, D.C. I am accredited through the American Society of Genealogists, 2001, a member of the National Genealogical Society, Arlington, Va., the American Society of Genealogists as well as the British Society of Genealogists.
I have never claimed to be an expert, to the contrary...I still have a lot to learn, but I do admit to being a professional in the field of genealogy. I also visit and freely give advise on these forums for the enjoyment and pleasure of helping others. Perhaps my level of knowledge does make me a little too critical, for that I apologize.
I assumed, and please forgive me for this, that since you are a Doctor, that you would be familiar with the rules of evidence and proper research methods. Your lack of posting proper citations to the free information you have supplied, is what I have been trying to address in my postings to you, and not a personal attack.
It is all well and good to share the information you have with others on this free forum, but when you add personal memories and information passed down to you from so and so, you need to make a distinction to that fact. If you offer information from Moss' book, then you should be citing chapter number, as well as page references for the information given. If you only have empirical evidence, then that distinction needs to be made as well, this is so that people reading this forum can determine which information they wish to use in their ged-coms. It has been my experience, that most serious researchers want to be able to attach some acceptable evidence to their files.
I am not selling anything on this forum, not my knowledge, advise or services. I will point someone to the proper source evidence which they should be checking, and that is all. I have stated that I am willing to help you off forum, not to sell my services as you infer, but because I felt you might benefit in some way from my experience, again for free.
What you have been doing is great, except that your presentation of the information offered needs to be verified by proper source citation. The stories, homilies and personal family memories which you share are very interesting, but again you mix them up with good research information; and it is hard to seperate the two.
I will share information on Hereward with you, again for free. The only actual record we have for the existence of Hereward of Lincoln, is in a Chronicle written by a Abbot of Crowland, who was a contemporary of Hereward's. The Abbot's name was Ingulph, and he entitled his chronicle the "Gesta Herewardi", later in the twelfth century another monk, of Ely Abbey, compiled an eclectic history of his Abbey. This unnamed monk, states that he drew his information on Hereward from the "Gesta Herewardi" while placing Hereward into the history of the Abbey of Ely, which may have been commissioned by Hervey, first bishop of Ely, 1107-ll31. Further mention of Hereward can be found in a 12th century manuscript (Gesta III, Rerum Anglicarum Scriptorum Verterum) Both the "Gesta Herewardi" and the "Gesta III, Rerum Anglicarum Scriptorum Verterum" can be found in the British Library's manuscript collection, but you will have to travel to England in order to view these, as they are not on line through the PRO.
A very brief transcript of the information in the "Gesta Herewardi" is this; Hereward's father may have been named Hugh of Lincoln, his brother's name was Walter. Yes, Hereward did have a wife, but her name is not shown in the manuscript. What is known of his issue, is that he had an only daughter by the name of Turfrida, who married Hugh de Evermue, Lord of Deping in Lincoln.
Contrary to common belief, Hereward is not the son of Leofric of Mercia and Countess Godiva. This myth may have been assumed from a passage in the "Gesta Herewardi" where Hereward is called a *brother in arms* to Morcar the son of Leofric and Godiva. So, you see how some information must be researched before supplying it to others.
There is a Hereward mentioned in the "Anglo-Saxon Chronicles", under the year A.D. 1071 where it shows that after the surrender of the men of Ely, only Hereward and his followers escaped. No where in the chronicles does it state that Hereward is the uterine brother of Morcar of Mercia. Hereward is only mentioned once in the chronicles.
Earl Leofric and Countess Godgifu's (Godiva) children are known from the "Annales de Cambriae", they had two surviving children who had issue. Edwin and Edith, both of these children married into the ruling families of Wales, and there is no documented evidence to support a connection to the Howards. Again, you would know this if you had researched this line, and not taken information at face value.
I wish to make a personal request here if I may, will you please stop shouting at me...everytime to capitalize something, while you may think you are giving emphisis to your words, in net etiquette it is the same as shouting, please do not shout...I can hear and read very well.
Now, pertaining to your reference to "Dukes of Bastardo", I believe this is your phrase, of course you will find some vague reference to this, probably some colonial Howard had the need to justify his possible descent from the Ducal Howards, therefore a magical bastard infant was dredged up. I repeat...there is no documented evidence to support the theory that Lord Thomas Howard and Margaret Douglas had an illegitimate son. I have never in my years of English research, seen a document which verifies that Robert Howard of Brockdish was the bastard son of Thomas Howard and Princess Margaret. And there have been better genealogists than me, who have researched this Howard line completely.
I draw on their research, but I also do my own, as should everyone doing family reasearch.
In conclusion, I also give my knowledge and information freely, and I resent you implying that I may be looking for renumeration on this forum...that is what your post implies by your use of the word "FREE" in the context it was given.
You may not have been hiding, but you showed a poor sense of net etiquette by not addressing my replys...even with a thank you.
I feel you owe me an apology for the last sentence in your reply..."Know-it-alls, but I have never delt very much with one that sells the so-called information" I am neither a know-it-all (your words), nor am I trying to sell any information. As a proclaimed teacher, you know the value of doing one's own research, that and only that is what I have been pushing for here.
If you continue to post information without proper source citations, then yes, I will reply to your messages requesting said sources, perhaps then you will begin giving people what they really need to do their own research.
I have offered to help you in your research, and to discuss in private where your information is in error, but you will have to contact me if you want this help. Since you don't seem to be able to use the poster identification mode (keying on a persons name in: Posted by section) here is my e-mail address. karrpk@aol.com.
Karen
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