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Dear Theresa:
I have benefited much by reviewing your posts here at genforum. Regarding the Loys, the authors of the Hott books (I have not read them but must go by the information that you have given from them) appear to be citing the Loy Family in America by Stewart and Lynch as regard the Loy Hott connections. I believe these are correct as to date and place but with a few exceptions.
As nearly as I can tell John Loy of Winchester was Johannes Ley of the Loyal Judith (1740) who married Maria Elizabetha probably Linderman possibly at German town and possibly in Pottstown about 1749/50 probably after a 7 or 5 year indenture to her father weaver Justus Linderman. John lived next to his putative brother in law Daniel Kieffer (a weaver also, probably indentured and lucky enough to learn his masters trade) who was married to Linderman's daughter Catherine.
John and Maria Elizabetha started having children whose baptisms were recorded in the records of the Muddy Creek Reformed Church in Lancaster (the Loys lived just over the border in Berks) until 1767 when they joined the Allegheny Reformed Church created out of the Berks portion of the Muddy Creek congregation. Their last record in Berks is the birth of son Conrad in November 1771.
There was no Maria Elizabetha Kumpf daughter of Johann Conrad Kumpf and Anna Maria Feuerbach. There was noone by that name on the ship in 1733; a Maria Sophia Kumpf was born in New Holland in 1734 but she did not marry a Loy. The Kumpfs were more closely tied to Hans Yurigh Ley of Frederick Cy MD, hence the confusion. Johannes Ley and Johann Heinrich Ley are almost certainly different people by German rules of nomenclature. Johann Heinrich would have been known to the civil authorities as Henry Loy not John Loy (Johannes would have been John) and it is likely that poor Johann Heinrich did not long survive his arrival in the new world in 1733 (The idea he was sent back for education is unteable. John Loy singed his will with an "X" he could perhaps read but was not willing to show off his penmanship, unlike his putative brother Hans Yurigh who wrote out his entire will in German)
Sometime before 1776 or so, the Loys moved from Berks to Winchester Virginia. It is almost certain that, given their ages, Samuel Hott and Maria Elizabetha Loy will have been married before the move unless (1) they moved in 1772 at the latest or (2) they married earlier and Samuel Hott took her to Winchester with him and they later called her parents to join them. This is not impossible as apparently John Loy regarded Samuel and may have depended on him (My great great grandfather Samuel Loy was almost certainly named after Samuel Hott by Jacob Loy, his father and John's grandson, who will have remembered Samuel Hott as he was in his later years before Hott moved to Augusta County where the 1810 census finds him still alive with son Daniel - probably named for brother in law Daniel Loy who in turn was probably named for Daniel Kieffer) I am pretty sure Maria Elizabetha will not have gone by herself to Winchester so the likelihood is that the Loys and Hotts went together.
Another point is that though the Loy Family in America does not mention it (and that is reasonable as the editors saw no evidence) Michael Loy was probably John's son (perhaps christened on a trip to visit Maria Elizabetha's parents or more likely in a lacunae of the Muddy Creek Records). Nellie Loy Whitmore, from hom the editors of the Loy Family in America derived most of their material on the John Loy family, mentioned in a draft of her materials she prepared for my grandparents in 1960 that Peter Loy (Michael's son who went to Ohio with the Hotts) had sold a right of inheritance in John's estate, probably to Conrad or John, and did not appear in the will. Michael will have been dead then when it was made suggesting he died between 1789 and 1792. I doubt he had more than just Peter.
I am now trying to put the generation of materials after the publication of the Loy Family in America into order in a website (http://www.geocities.com/johannes_ley/ now in the earliest stages of construction)
It would help me immensely if you could tell me
1. Where if you know were the Hatz family from in Germany
2. Same for Shantz (marriage was probably in Germany so probably same place) York County PA in 1710 is unlikely as a birthplace for Magdalena. I am not sure it existed yet.
3. Where did they live in Lancaster? (I am trying to determine the nature of the connection to the Loy family)
4. When did they move to Frederick Cy
5. Is there any record of the marriage between Maria Elizabetha and Samuel Hott?
6. Were the Shantz's Mennonites as has sometimes been said? How about the Hotts?
Anything you could tell me would be immensely helpful and might help us in fact determine John Loy's origins. John appears to have come alone at 19 to the new world (hence no manumission records in Germany - he may in fact have been Alsatian). If his mother was on board the Loyal Judith married to a second husband we have no indication of it. There is the possibility he was orphaned in Germany and came to the New World seeking kin - it often happened and the people he hooked up with were the Henrich Schlabach family (Maria Elziabetha's godfather - his wife is supposed to have been Maria Elizabetha Feder met and married in NJ or PA) the Hott family and the Hertz or Hartz family of Muddy Creek (Conrad Loy's namesake - and hence the namesake of some of the Hotts later on). The Kieffer's as I have suggested may have been a connection established in the new world.
Anyway I have run on long enough. Anything you could tell me about these matters would mean a lot.
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