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Oh dear, where to start. My main effort is my mother's family, the Flewellings. I did some work on my father's side, but not a lot. There is actually a fair amount of interest in the Tabusintac families, and GenForum probably could use a Tabusintac (or Charlotte Taylor?) board, instead of one for each surname. I felt that people, like yourself, Carl Stymiest, Bill MacKinnon, were doing well, but the Flewellings needed a lot of work. Actually, they are distantly connected to the Strangs, Purdys, etc., but my parents (although the have a lot of 'cousins' in common, have no coomon ancestors.
There is a work, "History of the Murrays of Bedeque, P.E.I", by the Rev. H. Arthur Murray, 411 Ellerdale St., A603, Saint John, NB E2J 4B4, which has material on John Murray, Jr.
The John Murray who m. Honoria Heirlihy was the brother of the Hugh Murray I mentioned. Prehaps I should at least give you an outline. One of my problems is I have no electronic text yet.
John Murray and Mary Kennedy of Lower Canonbie, Dumfrieshire, Scotland went to the Province of New York roughly 1774. They lived in the neighbourhood of Harpersfield, Tyron Co., NY, and were Loyalists to Shelburne, NS in 1783. About 1784 they went with William Schurman to the Dunk River area around Bedeque, PEI. In 1798, James Anderson, from the Miramichi was shipwrecked off of PEI and stayed the winter with the Murrays. When, in 1799, he returned to NB it was with John's daughter, Mary Murray, as his wife, and her sister, Ellen (Or Helen, the names seem to have been interchangeable for several generations) Murray, who was soon married to Alexander Loggie. By 1803, their brother, John Murray, Jr., and his wife, "Liza" Chambers, had moved to Tabusintac with their children. So, there are three main branches of the Murrays on the Miramichi, but two are "hidden" because of the surname change. There is:
John Murray bpt. Over Mumbiehurst, Canonbie Parish, Eskdale, Dumfrieshire, Scotland 5APR1761, d. Tabusintac, Alnwick Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 1810, m. 'Liza" Chambers (probably d/o of John? Chambers, who was apparently part of the Schurman group, but of whom I have seen no more. Their children were:
JOHN MURRAY b. PEI ca. 1791, prob. d. ca. 1821, m. Honoria Hierlihy (b. ca. 1793; m. 2nd Ephraim Gay), d/o Philip and Charlotte (Taylor, etc.) Hierlihy.
ANN MURRAY b. PEI ca. 1793, d. Tabusintac, Alnwick Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 26NOV1865, bur. Riverside Cem., Tabusintac, m. Thomas Christy and lived in Douglas Parish, York Co., NB.
GEORGE MURRAY b. PEI 25DEC1795, d. Tabusintac, Alnwick Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 23SEP1875, m. Jane Davidson (b. 8JUL1793, d. 5APR1875), d/o John and Margaret (Loggie) Davidson.
HUGH MURRAY b. PEI ca. 1797, m. Jane Anderson (b. ca. 1801, d. 27APR1864, bur. Riverside Cem., Tabusintac), d/o James and Mary (Murray) Anderson
ALEXANDER MURRAY b. Tabusintac, Alnwick Parish, Northumberland Co., NB ca. 1806, m. 6JAN1831 Mary Loggie (b. ca. 1811, d. 14APR1852), d/o William and Jane (Urquhart) Loggie.
Of the three sons of John Murray, Jr., all had sons named John Murray, and I knew my great great grandfather was one of them, but not which one. Fortunately, their dteas-of-birth were sufficiently different that by tracking back through census records, I was able to determine that he was John, son of Hugh. Notice that Hugh's wife, Jane Anderson, was his first cousin. Hugh and Jane's children were:
HELEN MURRAY b. ca. 1826.
ANN MURRAY b. ca. 1830.
JOHN MURRAY b. ca. 1832-3, d. post 1881, m. ELLEN HIERLIHY (b. ca. 1831-2, d. post 1881), d/o James William and Louisa (Urquhart) Hierlihy.
SIMON F. MURRAY b. ca. 1837, m. Charlotte Wishart (b. ca. 1837, d. 1895), d/o William and ELizabeth? Wishart. (many of his children married children of Ricard and Annabelle (robertson) Price.)
ELIZABETH MURRAY b. ca. 1842
JANE MURRAY b. ca. 1842
HUGH MURRAY b. ca. 1844-5, d. 1934, m. 1st Elizabeth Johnstone (b. 1840, d. 26APR1874), d/o William and Agnes Johnstone; m. 2nd Eliza Taylor (b. 1866, d. 1928.)
John Murray and Ellen (or Helen) (Hierlihy) Murray's children were:
MARY ANN MURRAY b. ca. 1826, d. young
HUGH MURRAY b. 1861, d. 24AUG1953, m. 1st Ann _____; m. 2nd 4NOV1874 Elizabeth Vaderstine (b. ca. 1851), d/o Ebenezer and Martha Vanaderstine; m. 3rd Louise Robertson (b. ca. 1872, d. 1922), d/o William and Sarah (Walton) Robertson.
JAMES MURRAY b. ca. 1864, d. ca. 1959?, m. ca. 1904 Ellen Austin Robertson (b. ca. 1872, d. ca. 1964?), d/o John MacCallum ("Pappy") and Jane (Price) Robertson.
JOHN MURRAY b. ca. 1866, d. ca. 1904?, m. Ellen Austin Robertson (b. ca. 1872, d. ca. 1964?), d/o John MacCallum ("Pappy") and Jane (Price) Robertson.
JANE MURRAY (I may be confusing her with her aunt.)
CATHERINE MURRAY b. ca. 1872
Now, Ellen Austin Robertson was first married to John Murray, and after he died, to his brother, James Murray. The story that was prevalent for many years was that John and Ellen couldn't have children, so John went to Maine, and brought back a boy, Alfred, whom he raised as his own son. Recently, however (while Alfred WAS born in Maine, while John and Ellen were there, probably while John was working in the lumber yards there), more material has come to light. Alfred's birth was registered as a late registration in 1893 (the year of his birth), with his parents both named; the 1901 census lists John, Ellen and Alfred, with birthdate; Alfred' death certificate and military papers give him as John and Ellen's son; an exhaustive search for Alfred Murray's or just Alfred's in the Maine Vital Records DOES show an Alfred Murray b. in 1893, but on the wrong date, in the wrong place, and his parents are named. Each piece of evidence suggests that Alfred was not 'adopted', and especially the birth record is far too early. I suspect that part of what happened is that Alfred was born in place without medical assistance, and that there was no physician, who would normally have done the registration. Rather than register him in Maine, John and Ellen waited until they were back in Tabusintac. When Ellen remarried to James Murray, Alfred and James did not get along at all. About 1907, Alfred was so fed up, he walked from Plaster Rock down the Tobique River to the Saint John River to the Nashwaak River, up the Nashwaak over the hump to Newcastle, and then to Tabusintac, where he lived with his uncle, "Son" Robertson. I think James Robertson may have started the story of his 'adoption'. So, in spite of anything of mine you may see (or which is derived from my former, naive acceptance of the story), Alfred Norman Murray was most likely the son of John and Ellen. (Besides, the resemblance to his uncle, Norman Robertson is very close. At one time, I thought Norman might have been his father, but never mentioned my suspicions to my friend, Linda Robertson, as she was Norman's granddaughter.) In any case, In most genealogies, Alf gets left out as the compilers seem uncertain as to what to do with him, and most of their information comes from James' family in Tabusintac.
ALFRED NORMAN MURRAY b. (prob. Brewer, Maine) 16JUL1893, d. Nova Scotia SEP1965, m. 1st Margaret McKinnon Halloran (b. 1893, d. JUN1940), d/o Gordon Smith and Mary Ann (Haines) Halloran of Richibucto, Kent Co., NB; m. 2nd Verna Elizabeth MacCallum (b. 1897, d. 1978; m. 1st John Cleveland ("Cleve") Jewett of the Keswick area), d/o John William and Belinda J. (Robertson) MacCallum.
Alf was my grandfather, and perhaps that is as far as I should go at the moment.
You mention the Price family, your mother's side. I assume you mean the family of William Redman and Phoebe (Strang) Price. Their daughter, Jane Price, m. John MacCallum ("Pappy") Robertson, s/o James and Hannah (MacCallum) Robertson. THEIR daughter was Ellen Austin Robertson, so we have a connection there as well. This brings up the issue of Phoebe Strang's father, Jesse Strang (m. Sarah Wright, sister of the wife of William Murray, s/o John Murray, Sr.) Strang genealogists have been surmising that Jesse Strang was the s/o Daniel Strang hung 1777 as a spy; with Daniel being the s/o Daniel and Elizabeth (Galpin) Strang of Rye, Westchester Co., NY. I don't know if you are familiar with this issue, but I am beginning to suspect that both Daniel's were the same person, and an extra geneartion has been created.
Daniel Strang (the one who m. Elizabeth Galpin) was the s/o Daniel Strang and Phoebe Purdy. Phoebe Purdy was the d/o Joseph Purdy and Elizabeth Ogden. Elizabeth Ogden was the d/o John Ogden and his 2nd wife, Judith Budd. Judith Budd was the d/o John and Catherine Budd. Catherine's maiden name was most likely Butcher. Budd genealogists hold the theory that John Budd's wife (or mother, depending on who is telling the story) was Catherine Browne, d/o Anthony-Maria Browne, 2nd Viscount Montague, descended from the Plantagents (true), Charlemagne (probably true), the early Roman Emperors (not likely), most of the royal families of Europe (probably true), the Grand Dukes of Russia (probably true), etc. Some of this is true, except that there is absolutely no evidence that John Budd's wife OR mother was Catherine Browne, and the daughter of the 2nd Viscount was happily married to somebody else. Just a warning if you hit that line not to believe everything you read.
So, yes, we should talk. so to speak. The stuff above I could probably expand upon and add to, but, as I mentioned, the effort would be enormous. On the other hand, I might be able to help you with some specific or even general problems, and would be VERY interested in what you come up with.
The question of Timothy and Philip Heirlihy is an intriguing one. I have seen variations as father/son, uncle/nephew and brothers, but very little gathered to support any of the arguments. I suspect, as you mentioned, that, by the scarcity of the name, they are related. What you might want to do is summarize your findings and theories, and post them here in case anyone can add to them.
And I am about typed out at the moment. Talk to you later I hope.
Thomas
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