Turkey HERDMANs also Scotland, England, Australia and NZ
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In reply to:
Re: Helen Herdman born in Turkey
Claire Armitage 2/18/03
Hi, for the benefit of those that may be interested or descended from this lot and in the hope that corrections, or additions will be posted, here is my summary of the Herdmans who went to Turkey. Those without surnames are HERDMANs. I have not published here the non HERDMAN descendants.
James (1809-1881) was the first son of William and Margaret ROBERTSON who married at Cramond, Midlothian, Scotland, 4 Nov 1808. Other children were Ann 1811, Margaret 1814, William 1817, and Helen 1820, all born Cramond Parish. I don't know what happened to Ann, William and Helen.
Margaret married Adam DODDS 1840 at St Cuthberts, Edinburgh.
James (1809)married Margaret CUTHBERT 27 Nov 1835 at Canongate, Edinburgh, and shortly after went to Turkey/Iran to work as an Engineer. Two children of James & Margaret CUTHBERT are known. Margaret (1840-1924) born Teheran married Edward CHATWOOD about 1859. The second, James (1846 Constantinople-1921)came to New Zealand and married Nellie LAWRIE 31 Dec 1886 Wellington. They had 4 daughters, Florence Jane (1887), Laura 1889, Rubina 1891, Rosina 1893. About 1893 James (1846) returned to England working as a Marine Engineer leaving Nellie and the 4 girls in Wellington. He never returned and died 1921 at Woolwich, England.
It is not known what happened to Margaret CUTHBERT or whether there were more than these 2 children.
However James (1809) married a second time to Martha HAGUE (1827-1914). Their 8 children were
Hiram (1849-1898)married Helene HOJANV
Martha (1852-1932) who did not marry.
Helen (1854-?) who married ALexander ALLAN and went to NZ
William (1856-1929) went to NZ and married Kate BANKS 1884 Wellington.
Unknown born 6 Oct 1857, possibly died near birth???
Mary A (1860 -)married Alexander George JACK in 1882 Woolwich.
Rebecca (1862-) married James Wilson LOW 1887 Dartford.
Walter George (1864-1939) did not marry.
Hiram and Helene had Martha (1875 -) and James (1871-1960) who married Emma CHALK 1891 at Dartford. They had no children. James & Emma came to NZ where James worked as an Engineer.
William and Kate BANKS had one child Florence Kate (1885-1969) who married George FRIZZELL in 1901 in Canterbury NZ.
This HERDMAN line no longer has any HERDMANs.
Bruce HERDMAN
Wellington New Zealand