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Re: Subject; Captain John Haldane
Posted by: John Haldane (ID *****1604) Date: October 01, 2007 at 09:53:45
In Reply to: Subject; Captain John Haldane by Edward Cumming of 329

1. JOHN (JACK)21 HALDANE (GEORGE20, PATRICK (PETER)19, JOHN18, MUNGO17, JOHN16, JAMES15, JOHN14, JOHN13, JAMES12, JOHN11, JAMES10, JOHN9, BERNARD8 DE HALDANE, JOHN7, BERNARD6, SIMON5, AYLMER4, ROGER3 DE HAUDEN, SON2, BRIEN1 DE HADDEN) was born Bet. 1742 - 1755, and died 05 Feb 1784 in Scully (shipwreck of the 'Nancy') (Source: from "The Haldanes of Gleneagles" by General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, 1929, William Blackwood and Sons, Ltd., Edinburgh and London, page 178.).

Notes for JOHN (JACK) HALDANE:
John, commonly called Jack by his family and friends, joined the East India Company's service, and is mentioned several times by William Hickey in his Memoirs. He says, when recounting incidents that occurred during the time he was in India: 'At dinner I met. . ., and Mr. John Haldane, with all of whom I became very intimate and lived in habits of great kindness.'

When at Calcutta in 1784 Mickey expresses his admiration for 'Messiers Haldane and others of equal fame in the bottle way.' He refers to him again as one 'whom the public prints too truly termed "the child of Mis-fortune," be having been once east away when mate of an Indiaman, losing everything he possessed.' Hickey's last reference to his unfortunate friend relates how John Haldane 'afterwards got command of the Fairford, a noble vessel of the Company's, which upon her first voyage (she sailed from Portsmouth on 11th September 1782) was destroyed by fire in the harbour of Bombay' (on 15th June 1783). Hickey continues: 'Mr. Hornby, the governor at the time, feeling for the heavy loss Captain Haldane then sustained, with the humane intention of assisting him, fitted out the Nancy as a packet, giving him the command and also finding him a considerable sum of money to purchase an investment. Captain Haldane had taken out in the Fairford the famous actress, Mrs. Cargill, who was greatly attached to him, so much so as to relinquish the stage, on which she had attained much celebrity, to follow his fortunes. This beautiful, accomplished woman embarked with him on the Nancy for England. After a remarkably fine passage they reached the British soundings, when a tremendous tempest arose. It being in the depth of winter, and they being (as was supposed) mistaken in their reckoning, ran ashore upon the rocks of the islands of Scully (on 5th February 1784), where every soul on board perished. The corpse of Mrs. Cargill, with a child clasped in her arms, was washed on shore upon one of the islands, where both were buried.' This unfortunate woman was born in 1748, and made her first appearance on the London stage at Covent Garden in 1770, as Miss Brown, where she played till 1780, taking several primary roles in comic opera and burletta, and some secondary roles in comedy. At the Haymarket, on 2nd September 1780, as Mrs. Ann Cargill, late Miss Brown, she played as the Goddess of Health in the Genius of Nonsense, which was written by her manager, George Colman. At the same theatre on 8th August 1781 she acted with conspicuous success as Macheath in a representation of the Beggar's Opera, in which the male characters were sustained by women, and the female characters by men. In 1782 she went to India, where she not only played her favourite operatic characters, but attempted tragedy with some success, and a single benefit is said to have brought her the then astonishing sum of 12,000 rupees.

In 1780, before one of his voyages to the East, John Haldane left in his will, dated 20th June of that year, instructions regarding the erection of a monument to his grandfather, Patrick, to which reference has already been made. One of the marble tablets on this now, through course of time, almost derelict monument, depicts the packet Nancy at the point of being engulfed, and there is extant a coloured print of the wreck of that vessel.

Generation No. 2

       2. George Haldane, born Abt. Jul 1722 in Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland (Source: General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London), p. 159, date cited is abt 1721.); died 26 Jul 1759 in Spanish Town, Jamaica (Source: (1) General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London)., (2) Sir Bernard Burke, Burke's Landed Gentry, (1939; Burke's Peerage Limited; London), p. 1013.). He was the son of 4. Patrick (Peter) Haldane and 5. Margaret Forrester. He met 3. Francis Pool.

Generation No. 3

       4. Patrick (Peter) Haldane, born 1683 in Gleneagles, Perth, Scotland (Source: (1) General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London), p. 133., (2) Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, International Genealogical Index, (March 1992), Film 1903858, "abt. 1682."); died 10 Jan 1769 in Duddingston (Source: (1) General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London)., (2) Sir Bernard Burke, Burke's Landed Gentry, (1939; Burke's Peerage Limited; London), p. 1013.). He was the son of 8. John Haldane and 9. Mary Drummond. He married 5. Margaret Forrester 21 Jul 1720 in St. Andrews & St. Leonards, Fife, Scotland (Source: (1) General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London), p. 159., (2) Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, International Genealogical Index, (March 1992), film M119528-0006., (3) Sir Bernard Burke, Burke's Landed Gentry, (1939; Burke's Peerage Limited; London), p. 1013, date cited as "probably in 1721.", (4) The Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints, Scottish Church Records, Version 2.00, (1995 09 21 Edition), "Electronic," M119528; 1040175; 6900130, also recorded 5 Aug 1720 at Dunipace, Stirling, Scotland (M114784; 1041941).).

Generation No. 4

       8. John Haldane, born 31 Mar 1660 in Gleneagles, Perth, Scotland (Source: (1) General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London), p. 100., (2) Sir Bernard Burke, Burke's Landed Gentry, (1939; Burke's Peerage Limited; London), p. 1013., (3) Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, International Genealogical Index, (March 1992), Film 1903858.); died 26 Jun 1721 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland (Source: (1) General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London), p. 124., (2) Sir Bernard Burke, Burke's Landed Gentry, (1939; Burke's Peerage Limited; London), p. 1013.). He was the son of 16. Mungo Haldane and 17. Anne Grant. He married 9. Mary Drummond 22 Aug 1677 in Perth, Scotland (Source: (1) General Sir James Aylmer Lowthorpe Haldane, The Haldanes of Gleneagles, (1929; William Blackwood & Sons, Ltd.; Edinburgh and London), p. 126., (2) Sir Bernard Burke, Burke's Landed Gentry, (1939; Burke's Peerage Limited; London), p. 1013., (3) Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, International Genealogical Index, (March 1992), Film 1903724.).

I have much more, but am in the process of developing a book for publication, so prefer to not post it. I trust this answers all your questions?


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