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Re: Jean Groulx et Marie Gouget story
Posted by: jc (ID *****5058) Date: December 14, 2008 at 02:24:33
In Reply to: Re: Jean Groulx et Marie Gouget story by Johanne Groulx of 341

Pierre's name may be Joguet and he may be the son of Michel Joguet and Marie Jounot.



Notes for Louise Garnier:

Pierre Goyette has Louise born in 1629 in Poitiers, France and married in 1655 in Bazouges, France

For your review. I have GROULX ancestry, but have not been able to connect.

http://www.life-union.com/0/genealogy/living.htm.

GARNIER, Louise no 206244


Nee vers 1632 Marans (St-Etienne) (Charnete-Maritime : 17218), mariee

Arrivee ou premiere mention au pays

1659. Migrante arrivee avec sa famille.

Annotation(s)

Catholique. Elle s'est mariee avec Pierre Goguet à Marans vers 1656. Sa fille Anne-Marie a ete baptisee à Marans (St-Etienne) le 25-02-1658. Donnees ajoutees à cette version.

Reference

DGFQ, p. 225

Source de l'information

Fabien Raguy, Marans (maîtrise de l'Universite de La Rochelle)



Children of Pierre-I Goyette and Louise Garnier are:

i. Marie-Anne Goyette, born 04 Jan 1657 in Marans, LaRochelle, Aunis, France; died 04 Oct 1730 in Riviere des Prairies, Quebec, Canada; married (1) Jean Grou 23 Nov 1671 in Pointe aux Trembles, Quebec, Canada; born 1649 in Rouen, Normandie, France; died 02 Jul 1690 in Pointe aux Trembles, Quebec, Canada; married (2) Jacques Desnoyers-dit-Lajeunesse 26 Oct 1693 in Pointe aux Trembles, Quebec, Canada.



Notes for Marie-Anne Goyette:

GOGUET, Marie-Anne no 201317



Baptisee 25-02-1658 Marans (St-Etienne) (Charente-Maritime : 17218), mariee, fille de Pierre et Louise Garnier

Arrivee ou premiere mention au pays

1659. Migrante arrivee avec sa famille.

Annotation(s)

Catholique. Ses parents se sont maries à Marans vers 1656.

Reference

DGFQ, p. 513

Source de l'information

Jean-François Paboul et IFGH



Notes for Jean Grou:

Jean Grou, ancestor to Rev. Cannon Lionel Groulx, was captured by the Iroquois, July 2, 1690 and burned alive 4 months later. His widow then married Jacques Desnoyers.



From Tanguay: Le 2 juillet 1690, les Iroquois tuerent pres la coulee de Jean Grou, au bout de l'ile, le sieur Coulombe, lieutenant reforme, Jalot, chirurgien, Larose, Cartier, Jean Beaudoin, fils, Pierre Masta, fils, Isaac, soldat, de Montenon, sieur de Larue, Guillaume Richard dit Lafleur, et plusieurs autres au nombre desquels se trouvait le chirurgien de la paroisse, Antoine Chaudillon. Comme on craignait les Iroquois, on enterra, à la hâte, au même lieu, ces corps, et ce ne fut que le 2 novewmbre 1694, que les ossements furent transportes au cimitiere. (Registres de la Pointe aux Trembles de Montreal)



Translated from: Drouin Volume III



Jean Delpue dit Parisot was killed in combat against the Iroquois 2 July 1690,

and a monument to him (& others) was erected at the place of the battle in

Point-aux-Trembles by the "Commission of Historical Sites & Monuments of

Canada". The inscription on the face of the monument is as follows:

"The 2 July 1690, M. de Colombet leading 25 men was attacked by 100 Iroquois

near here: he was killed with 9 of his soldiers, as well as 30 enemies. Jean

Grou, owner of the farm where the battle took place, and three of his

companions were captured by the savages and burned alive. Joseph Lajeunesse,

descendant of Grou, donated the land & stone for this monument."



The register of Point-aux-Trembles of Montreal, dated 2 November 1694,

completed the history of that battle. The text is as follows: The 2 July

1690, at the end of the island near the "coulee" of Jean Grou, the Iroquois

killed the Sr (Sieur?) Colombe, former lieutenant, Joseph de Montenon, Sr de

la Rue, which the enemies burned the same day behind the fort of LaChenaye,

Guillaume Richar dit Lafleur, our lieutenant of Militia, Jean Jalot, our

surgeon.....Jean Delpue dit parisot, Joseph carrier dit Larose, Jean Raynau

dit Planchar burned by the Oneidas (one of the Iroquois nations) with Jean

Grou, calm & easy-going in the presence of father Millet, Jean Baudoin, son,

Pierre Masta and an employee of great Bauchant named ...Pierre Payet dit

St-Amours was taken in the attack and held prisonner the 2 July 1690, he was

given to the Oneidas who let him live as well as *demanding of us,father

Millet,during the month of February 1691 in return for letting him live*(not

sure if this is correct-LH). St-Amours returned to the fort in 1693. Since

the Iroquois were greatly feared, the bodies of those who had been killed were

quickly buried at the same place that the massacre had occured; it was not

until 2 Nov 1694 that their bones were transported to the cemetary, where they

were buried in the presence of all the settlers.



*Jean Delpe was a soldier of the LaFreydiere Company, Carignan Regiment.



Marriage Notes for Marie-Anne Goyette and Jean Grou:

Lundi, 23 novembre 1671. La Cote Saint-François (actuel quartier Longue-Pointe à Montreal) est animee d'une procession qui s'achemine vers I'ouest: aujourd'hui a lieu un triple mariage. Drôle de moment qu'un lundi de novembre pour se marier, direz-vous. Mais en ce siecle dont le rythme est regle par les travaux des champs et certaines contraintes religieuses, il en va tout autrement. Et ce debut de semaine d'un mois automnal est tout a fait conforme aux exigences et coutumes de l'epoque. Voisins, amis et parents se joignent au cortege nuptial qui, avec le recul impose par le temps, devient pour nous un cortege d'ancêtres.



C'est en la chapelle de l'Hôtel-Dieu de Montreal que seront celebres ces mariages car la premiere eglise Notre-Dame ne sera inauguree que plus tard. Gabriel Souart et Gilles Perot, ancien et nouveau cures, accueillent les futurs epoux qui prennent place à la balustrade: Jean Grou, de Normandie et Marie-Anne Goguet, d' Aunis; Guillaume Labelle, de Normandie egalement et Anne Charbonneau, d' Aunis comme la precedente, sa cousine. En effet, Louise et Marie-Marguerite Garnier, leurs meres, vivent en Nouvelle-France depuis 1659, de même que Michelle, leur soeur, epouse de Simon Cardinal. Finalement, Pierre Payet dit Saint-Amour, soldat de Carignan originaire de Gascogne, et Louise Tessier, native de Montreal, rejoignent les deux autres couples. Les trois bans reglementaires ayant ete publies, et aucune objection auxdits mariages n' ayant ete apportee, on peut proceder a I' echange des voeux et des benedictions devant une assistance respectueuse mais joyeuse. On devine aisement le sermon de Messieurs Souart et Perot qui insistent sur la responsabilite des epoux a peupler la colonie de descendants fideles a la foi chretienne. Heureusement, nul plaisantin ne vient «nouer l'aiguillette», pendant la ceremonie, ce qui entraînerait, selon une croyance remontant au Moyen-Âge, l'incapacite à consommer le mariage.



De qui est constituee l'assemblee? Les actes de mariage des trois couples concernes nous eclairent à ce sujet. Tout d'abord, Pierre Goguet et Louise Garnier, parents de Marie-Anne Goguet. Puis, Olivier Charbonneau et Marie-Marguerite Garnier, parents d' Anne Charbonneau. Ensuite, Urbain Tessier et Marie Archambault, parents de Louise Tessier. Et finalement, les temoins parmi lesquels nous pouvons entre autres citer Jacques Lebert, marchand, Charles LeMoyne, ecuyer, et Sieur de Longueuil, Pierre Dagenais dit Lepine, habitant, voisin et partenaire d'Olivier Charbonneau à l'un des moulins sur le Saint-Laurent, Philippe de Carion, ecuyer et lieutenant de garnison, Paul Maurel, enseigne, Laurent Archambault, Gilles Lauzon, marguillier, Jean-Baptiste Gadoys, armurier, Laurent Tessier, Paul Tessier. Il est à noter que, parmi les nouveaux maries, seuls Jean Grou et Louise Tessier savent signer.



Le mariage religieux termine, on reprend le chemin de la cote Saint-François en direction des maisons familiales car la coutume veut que le pere de la mariee convie les invites à une table bien garnie. On peut supposer, bien qu'aucun ecrit à ce sujet ne nous soit parvenu, que la fête se deplaça d'une demeure à l'autre, de chez Urbain Tessier à chez Olivier Charbonneau en passant par chez Pierre Goguet, car tous ces gens etaient voisins, amis et même parents.



Tourtieres, pain de froment, galettes de maïs, pommes au sucre, bouillon et cervoise connurent un franc succes et surent certainement satisfaire les appetits. Apres ces rejouissances, ce fut au tour de I'hiver et de I' Avent a se presenter avec leur cortege de froid et de sacrifices. Mais, heureusement, le souvenir du triple mariage perpetua sa chaleur dans la rigueur du mois à venir de même que dans la memoire de vous tous de la region qui portez encore ces patronymes.



ii. Jeanne Goyette, born 26 Nov 1660 in Ile de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; died 24 Jun 1747 in Varennes, Quebec, Canada; married (1) Noel Sommereux 15 Oct 1674 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada; born 1649 in St-Gervais et St-Protais de Breuil, Clermont, Beauvais, Picardie; died 04 Jul 1677 in Riviere des Prairies, Quebec, Canada; married (2) Pierre Jousset 22 Nov 1677 in Pointe-aux-Trembles, Quebec, Canada; born Abt. 1643 in Allencon, Dio, LaRochelle, Poitou, France; died 10 Apr 1730 in Laprairie, Quebec, Canada.



Notes for Jeanne Goyette:

Dates of births for children from Internet site of PRDH



Notes for Noel Sommereux:

Pierre Goyette has him as Noel Gomereux.



928 iii. Pierre-II Goyette, born 16 Mar 1664 in Ville Marie (Montreal), Quebec, Canada; died 26 Sep 1730 in Longue Pte., Montreal, Quebec; married Marie-Anne Charon-dit-Ducharme 18 Apr 1686 in Boucherville, St. Maurice, Quebec, Canada.

iv. Catherine Goyette, born 04 Nov 1666 in Ile de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec; died 10 Apr 1730.

v. Suzanne* Goyette, born 20 Aug 1667 in Ile de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec; died 24 Aug 1667 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

vi. Jean Goyette, born 30 Sep 1668 in Ile de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec; died 17 Nov 1725 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada; married Marie Bourgeois-Picard 15 Oct 1692 in Pointe-aux-Trembles, Montreal, Quebec; born 1675; died Bef. 1738.



Notes for Jean Goyette:

Pierre Goyette has a date of death as March 4, 1731.



vii. Jacques Goyette, born 20 Aug 1672 in Ile de Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; died 11 Sep 1724 in Pointe aux Trembles, Montreal, Quebec, Canada; married Jeanne Jousset-Lemoine 18 Nov 1697 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada; born 30 Mar 1674 in Quebec, Canada; died 30 Oct 1746 in Longue-Pointe de Mingan, Sanguenay, Quebec, Canada.


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My ancestor is Julius, whose brother *may be* Alexander, who is the son of Leandrew GROULX. He and Alexander GREW (Anglicized) worked on a railroad crew in Fayette PA (appeared on 1870 census)The age of Alexander in the 1851 census is the same. Cannot locate Alexander after 1870 census.

Researching 1881 Canadian census, this record shows Ste-Jerusalem, Argenteuil. I cannot find it on my map nor can I find the parish (name of the Catholic Church)where they may have attended church. Can you shed some light as to where this might be?

Household Record 1881 Canadian Census
Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion
Angele GROULX Female French 36 Q <Quebec> Dressmaker Catholic
Josephine GROULX Female French 26 Q <Quebec> Dressmaker Catholic
Alphonsine GROULX Female French 20 Q <Quebec> Dressmaker Catholic
Donaldo GROULX Female French 23 Q <Quebec> Teacher Catholic
Louisa GROULX Female French 18 Q <Quebec> Catholic
Leandre GROULX M Male French 65 Q <Quebec> Plasterer Catholic
Zoe GROULX M Female French 55 Q <Quebec> Catholic

Source Information:
Census Place Ste-Jerusalem, Argenteuil, Quebec
Family History Library Film 1375859
NA Film Number C-13223
District 96
Sub-district A
Page Number 5
Household Number 23

Individual Record 1881 Canadian Census

Zoe GROULX Household
Female

Other Information:
Birth Year <1826>
Birthplace Q <Quebec>
Age 55
Occupation
Marital Status M <Married>
Ethnic Origin French
Head of Household Angele GROULX
Religion Catholic
Source Information:
Census Place Ste-Jerusalem, Argenteuil, Quebec
Family History Library Film 1375859
NA Film Number C-13223
District 96
Sub-district A
Page Number 5
Household Number 23

Leandre GROULX Household
Male

Other Information:
Birth Year <1816>
Birthplace Q <Quebec>
Age 65
Occupation Plasterer
Marital Status M <Married>
Ethnic Origin French
Head of Household Angele GROULX
Religion Catholic
Source Information:
Census Place Ste-Jerusalem, Argenteuil, Quebec
Family History Library Film 1375859
NA Film Number C-13223
District 96
Sub-district A
Page Number 5
Household Number 23


1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
about Léardee Groux
Name: Léardee Groux
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Birthplace: Canada
Born of Canadian Parents: Yes
Province: Canada East (Quebec)
District: Deux Montagnes County
District Number: 33
Sub-District: Ste Scholastique
Sub-District Number: 518
Page: 11
Line: 13
Roll: C_1146
Schedule: A

1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
about Zoé Vandette
Name: Zoé Vandette
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Canada
Born of Canadian Parents: Yes
Province: Canada East (Quebec)
District: Deux Montagnes County
District Number: 33
Sub-District: Ste Scholastique
Sub-District Number: 518
Page: 11
Line: 14
Roll: C_1146
Schedule: A

1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
about Angèle Groux
Name: Angèle Groux
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Birthplace: Canada
Born of Canadian Parents: Yes
Province: Canada East (Quebec)
District: Deux Montagnes County
District Number: 33
Sub-District: Ste Scholastique
Sub-District Number: 518
Page: 11
Line: 15
Roll: C_1146
Schedule: A

1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
about Théophile Groux
Name: Théophile Groux
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Birthplace: Canada
Born of Canadian Parents: Yes
Province: Canada East (Quebec)
District: Deux Montagnes County
District Number: 33
Sub-District: Ste Scholastique
Sub-District Number: 518
Page: 11
Line: 16
Roll: C_1146
Schedule: A

1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
about Alexandre Groux
Name: Alexandre Groux
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Birthplace: Canada
Born of Canadian Parents: Yes
Province: Canada East (Quebec)
District: Deux Montagnes County
District Number: 33
Sub-District: Ste Scholastique
Sub-District Number: 518
Page: 11
Line: 17
Roll: C_1146
Schedule: A

1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
about Joséphine Groux
Name: Joséphine Groux
Gender: Female
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Birthplace: Canada
Born of Canadian Parents: Yes
Province: Canada East (Quebec)
District: Deux Montagnes County
District Number: 33
Sub-District: Ste Scholastique
Sub-District Number: 518
Page: 11
Line: 18
Roll: C_1146
Schedule: A

Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about Alexandre Groux
Name: Alexandre Groux
Event Year: 1848
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Ste-Scholastique
Province: Québec (Quebec


Ancestors of ALEXANDRE GROULX


Generation No. 1

1. ALEXANDRE GROULX, born Abt. 1848. He was the son of 2. LEANDRE GROULX and 3. ZOE VANDETTE.


Generation No. 2

2. LEANDRE GROULX He was the son of 4. ANTOINE GROULX and 5. MARIE ETHIER. He married 3. ZOE VANDETTE May 02, 1842 in STE-SCHOLASTIQUE,DEUX MONTAGNES [MIRABEL],QUEBEC,CANADA.
3. ZOE VANDETTE She was the daughter of 6. JOSEPH VANDETTE and 7. MARIE ROCHON.

Marriage Notes for LEANDRE GROULX and ZOE VANDETTE:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/QUEBEC-RESEARCH/2004-12/1102448646
Zoe Vandette-Vaudet married Leandre Groux May 2, 1842 at Ste Scholastique
Zoe parents were Joseph Vandette and Marie Rochon
Leandre parents were Antoine Groux and Marie Ethier


More About LEANDRE GROULX and ZOE VANDETTE:
Marriage: May 02, 1842, STE-SCHOLASTIQUE,DEUX MONTAGNES [MIRABEL],QUEBEC,CANADA

Children of LEANDRE GROULX and ZOE VANDETTE are:
i. ANGELE GROULX, born Abt. 1844.
ii. THEOPHILE GROULX, born Abt. 1845.
1 iii. ALEXANDRE GROULX, born Abt. 1848.
iv. JOSEPHINE GROULX, born Abt. 1851.



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