Hello, John...bear w/me, please..maybe nothing, but I keep coming across your posts and Ms Brumley's you posted to.
I wasn't aware of the Fogel/Fogle/link til I did an mtdna test and the results show my maternal line as having them; prob on the Ks/Ok/Mo line (maybe) Also linked to Ropier/Rapier/Roper and Angelo..of which there's a Lucinda Angelo, b:1857 in McLean Co.,IL who's a perfect match. Now, meanwhile, back in my Mother's line's neck o'the woods, Knox/Bell/Whitley Co's Ky, next door in Harlan Co, (these are on the TN line, which was an area of disputed ppty ownership. In Harlan Co., I found both Fogle and Angelos near Helton twnshp..a maternal line connected surname. Ok...in Knox/Whitley co's I have Carter/Walters/Johnson & Bartons; maternal side. Some of these had Ohio connections and in my Dad's side, we have the Church surname, in Brown Co (cut from Clermont, in nw Ohio) A lot of my kin had seafaring/RR/surveying/bridge & trading links; mainly before the Civil War. Some of these names end up in SW MO..where there's the Brumley name with some of my Dad's lines..and my two grannies thought they might have some kin in common, too. Some of these moved over to OT/IT early 1900's. Prior to KY, some of my lines were older VA settlers who'd been to IL/IN, very early on.
Some went to KS..others remained in IN/OH..went to TX..LA (with the RR/shipping by riverboat, etc...so they had ample opportunity to move around at will, making them hard to figure out. Many of these same names ended up in the N/ne TX area, too..and mine remained in the E.TX area, to date. With my grandparents ending up abt 60 mi from one another w/o knowing each other. Both with Va/Ky roots. My mtdna came back with the newer H-5 grouping..the Fogel/les were shown as immigrants from Romania/Slovenia (NE Italy..Austria..during the religious and ethnic persecutions, which continue today. Well, better too much info than not enuff, I suppose..maybe if it doesn't resonate with you or Ms Brumley, it may with someone else. If so, in any case, please do contact me..oh, the Brumleys were with the LaRose family who married into my Corn/w/ell lines..they'd moved from Clermont/Brown Co.,OH and my Cornells were the stepfamily of Jonathan Church there. Some had NJ ties and some had MD/PA/VA. Others from the Carolinas. My Carter/Bartons were referred to as Black Dutch, with (unproven)"indian" links. (the H-5 thing?)
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