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Re: Help for more on Alice Molyneux please
Posted by: Alex Dow (ID *****6925) Date: November 06, 2013 at 05:57:18
In Reply to: Re: Help for more on Alice Molyneux please by JOHN PAYN of 156853

Afternoon John

Such post-marriage is generally ephemeral and not recorded in systematic ways, unlike BMD Records etc.

Try first the main Bournemouth Library, to see if there is anything in particularly the Rates Valuation or Electoral Rolls that would give further clues as to where she was living in that area, up to her Death.

For the earlier years, immediately after Marriage, try the main libray/libraries in that area.

Web Searches would help to locate those libraries.


Full MARRIAGE RECORDS normally have at l;east six names; and occasionally a seventh, which potentially makes them very useful for a quest such as yours.

The names (often including middle names) of :-

1 Groom
2 Bride

3 Groom's Father (in Scotland also the Mother)
4 Bride's Father (in Scotland also the Mother)

5 Witness 1 (who frequently is a relative of Groom and/or Bride)
6 Witness 2 (who frequently is a relative Bride and/or Groom)

7 Possibly Minister (who occasionally is a relative of Bride or Groom)

Whilst there is no guarantee of such possible relationships, IF THERE IS SUCH A RELATIONSHIP, those names are clues, often opening up leads etc to the very sort of information you are looking for.

The "Profession" of individuals can also be of use, particularly if it requires registering such as Merchant Navy, Armed Services, Medical etc.

Some of those may also involve listing in the "London Gazette" and/or the "Edinburgh Gazette" - there are others.


I have checked back on our series of postings; and have NOT found any of those names, apart from Bride and Groom.

"Alex the MC of Alice and John is a Certified Copy; it contains their names, professions, age, place of abode, fathers name and their profession; any more info is cut off but I don't think there would be much more"

That quotation is the nearest I can find in that series.


Regarding children, Find My Past allows searching for children, by the expected Last Name, "Molyneux" in this case, with the Mother's Maiden Surname as a filter or Secondary Key, "Payn".

However, that is only applicable for Births after 1st July 1911, prior to that date, the Search INDEXES did NOT INCLUDE the Mother's Name.

Covering the period from 1909 (always start at least one year before the Marriage", to 1940 (31 years of potential child-bearing for Alice), there are those potential children in Middlesex (as another secondary key)-

MOLYNEUX Hilda Mary England Middlesex, Brentford 1909 VIEW

MOLYNEUX Kathleen Julia England Middlesex, Edmonton 1909 VIEW

MOLYNEUX Gwendoline F England Middlesex, Brentford 1910 VIEW

MOLINEUX Gerald Arthur England Middlesex, Willesden 1910 VIEW

MOLYNEAUX Frances May England Middlesex, Brentford 1910 VIEW

MOLINEAUX Arthur F Unknown Pakhurst 1910 VIEW

MOLINEAUX Reginald C England Aldershot 1911 VIEW

MOLYNEAUX Phyllis E Unknown Newcastle 1911 VIEW

(The others outside of Middlesex are included as the Search Index does not contatin a county name.)


Bournemouth is in Dorsetshire, so repeating accordingly-

MOLINEAUX Dorothy May England Dorset, Poole 1910 VIEW

MOLINEAUX Arthur F Unknown Pakhurst 1910 VIEW

MOLINEAUX Reginald C England Aldershot 1911 VIEW

MOLYNEAUX Phyllis E Unknown Newcastle 1911 VIEW

(Note the repetition of the three without a County.)


Repeating for the whole of England, there are about 270 results.

Interestingly, all are 1911 or earlier, ie none apparently from 1912 to 1940.

So it is very unlikely that Alice had any children registered after 1st July 1911, unless her Maiden Name was omitted (very unlikely) or wrongly recorded (it happens).


Checking again in the 1911 UK Census (the latest available at detailed level)-

1911 census transcription details for: 29 Arlington Park Mansions Chiswick W
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG14PN6942 RG78PN344 RD128 SD5 ED15 SN86
Reg. District: Brentford
Sub District: Chiswick
Parish: Chiswick
Enum. District: 15
Address: 29 Arlington Park Mansions Chiswick W
County: Middlesex

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MOLYNEUX, John Head Married M 32 1879 Bank Clerk Norwood S E
MOLYNEUX, Alice Geraldine Wife Married F 33 1878 Faversham Kent
MOLYNEUX, William Father Widower M 64 1847 Retired Dalstow N
FARRISS, Kathleen Trained Nurse Single F 25 1886 Trained Nurse Cumberland Dalston
BROWN, Rose Jubilee Servant Single F 23 1888 Shepherds Bush

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The Scanned IMAGE of the Census Page has the following for Alice-

Married "One" (Year)
Total children born alive "None"
Children still living "None"
Children who have died "None"

"Dalstow N" should be "Dalston".


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