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Dear Phil, I have sent a copy of the marriage certificate of Philip and Elizabeth in 1896 and also a copy of the birth certificate of his first born, my wife's Mother Ethel in 1898. These were accompanied by the story of the family since. As you do not appear to have recieved them, I will send them again when time permits unless I have made a mistake. In any case thank you for your interesting contribution. I sent everything to your e mail address which you provided. Maybe I should have replied here but what about the above mentioned documents? Maybe I should type the details here. Please inform. Regards Charles, in Liverpool.