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Samuel Elder
Posted by: Ken Elder (ID *****7492) Date: April 16, 2008 at 13:40:02
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Hi Gretchen.

I am also a relative of Samuel Elder, in that I have proven Genetic links through the Elder DNA Project coordinated by Nancy Elder Peterson.

I was born in Newcastle upon Tyne and my earliest proven “Elder” ancestor is Alexander, b 1744. He married Isabella Cleland in Newcastle in 1776. (It is possible that Alexander’s parents were James Elder and Katherin Johnson b abt 1720)

My thoughts were that the “Elders” went from the North East of England, or possibly Scotland during the “Ulster Plantation” pre or post Oliver Cromwell era 1600 -1670.
The Book, “An Historical Account of the Plantation in Ulster” by the Rev George Hill, indicates that Antrim was not part of the “Plantation Process” and there is no mention in any records of any Elders or Hustons.

The British Broadcasting Corporation has a brief synopsis about the Plantation process including this extract:

“The majority of British tenants on the Plantation were Scottish and were attracted to Ireland for economic reasons. Many were living in poverty in their home areas as an expanding population, rising prices and increased unemployment led to serious economic problems in Scotland, particularly in the 1630s when the numbers of Scottish people coming to Ireland soared. Migration to Ireland offered the possibility of immediate escape from dire poverty and the prospect of future prosperity.
The response of rural inhabitants in Scotland to the Plantation was in sharp contrast to that in rural England where relatively few people opted to move to Ulster. The English tenants who did take up residence came from the northern borders of England or had gone to Ireland to work temporarily on the building programme of the Plantation but had been inveigled to stay on as tenants by landlords desperate to fulfil the tenancy terms of their agreements.”

I have not ruled this out but I am more inclined now to think that the Elders left Scotland for commercial reasons, possibly to attend the Ould Lammas Fair. This ancient fair attracted artisans from both England and Scotland and my family at that time were Hosiers and Tailors.

Northern Ireland Place-Name Project based at Belfast University very kindly gave me this information about Artemore, where Samuel reputedly lived.

Arte is a variant (anglicised ) spelling of Irish Ard 'height', or in this case the related word Aird 'promontor). Irish mór is 'big'. If you look up the online townland index (linked via ulsterplacenames.org below, which also see for 'townland'), you will find there is an Ardmore townland in the parish of Killead, south of Antrim town near the airport. Ardmore forms a promontory on the NE shore of Lough Neagh. Discussed and illustrated with an early map in our new volume Lough Neagh Places (£15, pp.20,27) - I'll forward you a review, which will also give you contact details for the publisher. (Ardmore Co. Armagh is also in the book).

I visited this area at Easter and it is a rural area with few dwellings and no Protestant/Presbyterian Church. It is possible that Crumlin Church was used but I did not have time to search the Graveyards.

Mary Hustons father was probably William, b 1680, who together with 3 sons William, John and George went to America before Mary and Samuel. Maybe this was the reason they went.



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