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JOANOVICH - Egypt (and Constantinople)
Posted by: Patrick Pontet (ID *****3829) Date: January 28, 2006 at 13:28:41
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I share below what little information I have about the JOANOVICH relatives of my maternal family.

Earliest known:

Andrea (or Andre): born 1811 Constantinople; died 1878 Cairo (aged 67), son of Mario. Became pharmacist-checmist at the palance of the Khedive in Cairo; author of "Description de l'Insecte Ravageur du Coton en Egypte" 1873. Decorated by the Khedive: Bey (pre-1866) and Commandeur de l'Ordre de la Medjidie (pre-1873) for (family hearsay passed down generations) saving the Egyptian cotton crops, about which also mentioned in papers 1867 & 1868 in papers of the Zoologisch-botanischen Gesellschaft in Wien.
Married Silvia BIAGINI (d/o Antonio) 1844 The Assumption, Cairo. Nationality given as Austrian on marriage and death records.

Children (two known, two presumed):

(1). Nicola Napoleon Raphael Maria: born 1858 Cairo; bap The Assumption; still living 1922; occupation Pharmasist at Helwan, Cairo. Nationality given as Austrian. Married Maria (maiden name not known) sometime pre-1882. Records of the Austro-Hungarian Consular record 4 children:
Eveline (b 1882); Carl Emile Nicola (b1885); Paul Alex (b1892) & Andrea (b1895). Carl registered with the Consular in his won right 1909-11 & 1913-14.

(2). Pietro Maria Raphael Octave: born 1861 Cairo; died 1934 Alexandria; formerly employee sugar refinery, Alex. Married Ida Adalgisa-Maria LEONCAVALLO (b 1867 Alex; d 1911 Alex) 1885 St Catherine Cathedral, Alexandria. Nationality given as Austrian on marriage record. They had three children:

Ivan Battista Aime: born 1887 Cairo; died aged about 7 yrs (= ca 1894).

Ildegardo Maria Giuseppe: born 1891 Port Said; died 1951 Alexandria; Court Clerk, Alexandria. Married Marie POURSY (spelling suspect, and nothing further known about her) 1924 Alexanddria. No children.

Maria Antonietta Ida Lucia (known as Marie Antoinette): b 1897 Alexandria, bap St Catherine; died 1968 Essex, GB. Married Sydney Charles Robert HICKS 1921 Cairo. She is given as Austrian on marriage record. Children: Reginald HICKS (b1922) and Marjorie (b1923) my mother who married David Pontet-Piccolomini, from whom I am first born (of 14!) 1945 Heliopolis RAF hospital, Cairo.

Napoleon: born 1863; bap The Assumption; died 1912 aged 48. Occupation also Pharmacist in Cairo. Nationality given as Austrian, although given as 'de facto' in Consular record. Married Giacomina GERRO (b 1867) 1884 The Assumption, Cairo. They had 5 children: Linda (b1888); Vittoria (b1889, although archives in Wien give 1890); Ida Olga (b1891); Aldo Andrea (b1896) and Renato (b1904, although Wien archives give 1905) - suspect difference being date of 'registration' rather than actual birth year. Giacomina registered with the Austro-Hungarian Consular in her own name suffixed 'widow' 1910-11 (yet husband diedn't died till 1912!) & 1913-14; but there is no mention of Napoleon in these registers.

Aldo: born 1860s/early 1870s Cairo; still living 1934; Pharmacist in Cairo: Helwan 1910 and Maadi 1934. Married, but details of spouse and dates unknown. two known children: Aldo born 1880 Cairo; also Pharmacist in Cairo; married but no details; believed they had a daughter pre-1923. And a daughter, about whom nothing is known.

Two other persons named JOANOVICH in Egypt, but their relationship to my family above not established:

Pietro: born 1839 (don't know where); died 1884 Port Said (aged 45); given as Austrian on death record from Ste Eugenie, Port Said.

Amelia: personal details unknown except she was married to CALAMITA (on whom no details). She was godmother to Ivan son of Pietro JOANOVICH 1887, which suggests close relationship, perhaps same generation as Pietro.

Most of this was researched in 1990s, and much help was given me by Samir Raafat and Dr Rudolf Agstner, Minister-Consellor of the Austrian Embassy Cairo, both to whom I am indebted, which I can only repay by sharing with and helping others.

If anyone has any further information regarding these people, or are related in some way and seek further detail, please do get in touch with me direct (see below).

Unfortunately, the method of recording events in Egypt in those early days was a hit-and-miss affair, and where such records exist is now compounded by the changes of stewardship of the various churches between Catholics and Copics and consolidation of their registers. Bearing in mind the Euro-cosmopolitan composition of Egyptian society from the early 1800s, and the recording of their births, married and burials by the churches being the only method in those days, it is surprising no one, from any of the major European countries, has sought to transcribe and publicise these registers before they become obscure & lost by time. Alas I am too old for such ventures, but maybe one day someone will.

Patrick Pontet-Piccolomini
Hampshire, England
28 January 2006

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