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Re: Edmondsons in Pendleton District, SC
Posted by: Bill Davidson (ID *****1886) Date: November 09, 2011 at 13:16:29
In Reply to: Re: Edmondsons in Pendleton District, SC by S W Edmondson of 2559

Here is some additional information on some of the names that I see in your excellent post.

1) Some researchers show that the "first" Winifred Dunn....who was a daughter of William Dunn, Junior and Winifred Waters....married an Ambrose Jones. There was a Richard Jones in Old Rappahannock/Essex Co., VA whose children included an Ambrose Jones and a Keziah Jones. Keziah Jones married Henry Brown "I" (Henry died about 1733/1734 in Essex Co, VA, leaving a Will....he was a grandson of the Francis Brown "I" who died in Essex Co., VA in 1691/1692). An apparent descendant of Henry and Keziah (Jones) Brown who was named John Brown (died about 1824 in Essex Co., VA) married Mary Kidd around 1785. In the early-1800s, one of the daughters of John and Mary (Kidd) Brown named Harriett Brown married Billington Dunn (apparently the second/younger man in the overall Dunn family to have had that given name). Another daughter of John and Mary (Kidd) Brown married a later/younger Richard Jones, also in Essex Co., VA in the early-1800s. I certainly suspect that this later/younger Richard Jones was related to the much earlier/older Richard Jones and his son Ambrose Jones mentioned above. I do not know if Winifred Dunn married the brother of Keziah Jones who was named Ambrose Jones, versus if she perhaps married a later/younger Ambrose Jones....and I note that your post mentioned an Ambrose Jones, JUNIOR. The above John Brown who married Mary Kidd was a neighbor of Thomas Dunn in Essex Co., VA, and around 1819-1820, as I recall, that John Brown sold 125 acres of land on Hoskins Creek in Essex Co., VA to the widow of that Thomas Dunn....and that widow was named Mrs. Jane (Gatewood) Dunn.

2) Your post mentioned Carter Croxton. Carter Croxton married Nancy Dunn, and Nancy was a daughter of William Dunn "III" (and William Dunn "III" was a son of William Dunn, Junior and Winifred Waters, and hence, a brother of the above-mentioned Winifred Dunn who married Ambrose Jones). Carter and Nancy (Dunn) Croxton had a son who was named Doctor William Croxton, and the Doctor married Sophronia Smith. Sophronia Smith was a daughter of John Smith and Mary Dunn, and that Mary Dunn was a daughter of John Dunn and Judith Edmondson.

3) Current information indicates that William Dunn "III" was apparently maried twice, with his first wife being Lucy Smith (a daughter of Nicholas Smith, and a sister of the Ruth Smith whose second husband was James Sale, Senior). The second wife of William Dunn "III" was a Diana Unknown, and she is the one who is mentioned in the 1795/1799 Will of William Dunn "III."

Note: A record shows that a son of James Sale, Senior and his wife Ruth Smith....who was named James Sale, Junior....referred to his "Uncle William Dunn"....and it seems almost certain that this Uncle was William Dunn "III." Also, I see that some researchers seem to agree that Diana was almost certainly not the first and only wife of William Dunn "III." So....the above is why it appears that William Dunn "III" was married first to Lucy Smith, the known sister of Mrs. Ruth (Smith) Sale.

Note: There was a GRANDSON mentioned in the Will of William Dunn "III" who was named Peachy Wm. Smith. Does anyone have any idea who Peachy's MOTHER was? Some have said that his mother was perhaps the Winifred Dunn who was another daughter of William Dunn "III," but the transcription that I have of the 1795/1799 Will of William Dunn "III" shows that daughter as Winifred Dunn, versus as Winifred Smith (yet that same Will shows Winifred's sister Nancy as Nancy Croxton). Also, does anyone know who the FATHER of Peachy Wm. Smith was? I see that the given name of "Peachy" was also used in the Tobias/Toby Smith family (and that Tobias Smith family does not appear to have been related to the Nicholas Smith family), but I certainly do not know if the father of Peachy Wm. Smith was necessarily out of the Tobias Smith family.

4) I would not be surprised if the John Dunn who married Judith Edmondson was the known son of William Dunn "III" who was named John....and perhaps John's mother was Lucy Smith versus Diana Unknown (albeit, no proof).

Note: Based on various pieces of information, I cannot help but wonder if the above John Dunn and Judith Edmondson had another daughter who was named Winifred Dunn. There was a Mrs. Winifred (Unknown) Bennett (born about 1766-1768) who named one of her sons SMITH Bennett. That son, however, could have been given the name of "Smith" because: a) Winifred's grandmother was potentially Mrs. Lucy (Smith) Dunn (the first wife of William Dunn "III"), or b) Winifred was simply honoring the family of her (potential) sister Mrs. Mary (Dunn) Smith (the wife of John Smith). Other records seem to show that this John Smith was probably NOT from the same Smith family as Nicholas Smith, Lucy Smith and Ruth Smith, nor from the same Smith family as Tobias Smith, so there appears to have been at least two (if not three) unrelated Smith families in this overall "Dunn/Edmondson mix." The above John Smith who married Mary Dunn APPEARS (per some pretty good clues) to "trace back" to the Alexander Smith who died in Middlesex Co., VA around 1696, and DNA testing on living male Smiths shows that Nicholas Smith and Alexander Smith were NOT "blood relatives" (though we know that both of those Smith families married into the same Webb family in Essex Co., VA in the 1700s). I do not know whether or not a male Smith who "traces back" to Tobias Smith has also taken the DNA test.

5) The above Mrs. Winifred (Unknown) Bennett had a daughter who was named Mary Bennett (perhaps she was named for Mary Dunn....but no proof). Mary Bennett married a John Brown who appears to have been the son of the older John Brown mentioned above who had married Mary Kidd. John and Mary (Bennett) Brown took-in, named and reared a "Smith infant," and they named him Smith W. Brown. DNA testing proves that the living male "Brown" descendants of Smith W. Brown are actually "blood Smiths" versus "blood Browns"....and the DNA is a match to several Smith men who "trace back" to the above-mentioned Alexander Smith who died in Middlesex Co., VA in 1696. Again....I SUSPECT that the John Smith who married Mary Dunn was also out of that Alexander Smith family (per some clues that I will not attempt to explain in this post). Sans information to the contrary, it is quite POSSIBLE that the "biological Smith parents" of Smith W. "Brown" were John Smith and Mary Dunn. Smith W. "Brown" was born about 1817 (and MAYBE he was the last son of John Smith and Mary Dunn before one (or both) of them died).

6) The John Smith mentioned in your post was probably the above John Smith who married Mary Dunn (a daughter of John Dunn and Judith Edmondson). You show that the Judith Edmondson who was the daughter of John Edmondson and Catherine Dunn MIGHT have been the woman of that name who married a William Meredith in 1782. While I certainly do not know for sure, I wonder if she was instead the Judith Edmondson who married John Dunn? I see that some researchers have estimated that the Judith Edmondson who was a daughter of John Edmondson and Catherine Dunn was born in the 1760s. As I recall, however, at least some of the earlier children of John Edmondson and Catherine Dunn are typically shown as having been born in the 1740s....so I do not know what proof exists as to when this Judith Edmondson was truly born.

7) As stated above, I would not be surprised if the John Dunn who married Judith Edmondson was the son of William Dunn "III" and Lucy Smith. Some have shown, however, that the son of William Dunn "III" who was named John was instead the John Dunn who also married a Lucy (and some have even shown her as being a Lucy Smith....though I now wonder if that was simply some confusion between that Lucy and the Lucy Smith who apparently married William Dunn "III"....unless there were truly two different Lucy Smiths "in this mix"). One reasonable possibility seems to be that the John Dunn who married a Lucy was perhaps instead a descendant of Thomas Dunn and Elizabeth Newbill/Newbald (that Thomas Dunn was apparently a son of William Dunn, Senior and Alice Gray, and hence, that Thomas Dunn was a brother of William Dunn, Junior who married Winifred Waters). I note from his Will that the John Dunn who married Lucy fathered a son of his own who was named Thomas Dunn (so maybe that is a clue as to the lineage of that John Dunn).

8) There was yet another/later John Dunn who married a Nancy....and most people show her as Nancy Smith. If that should be correct, I do not know to which Smith family Nancy belonged. That John Smith also left a Will, and that Will mentioned a desceased son who was named Waters Dunn (not to be confused with the older Waters Dunn who was a son of William Dunn, Junior and Winifred Waters). Based on a son with that name, I would suspect that this John Dunn who married Nancy probably WAS a descendant of William Dunn, Junior and Winifred Waters, even if the older John Dunn who married a Lucy was not. Some have shown the John Dunn who married Lucy as the father of the John Dunn who married Nancy....but I am not aware of any proof of that "father/son relationship."

Comments/questions on any of the above?


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