Re: Sheriffs & Eaton beginnings
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Re: Sheriffs & Eaton beginnings
Rick Eaton 8/02/01
We cant't be too sure as to not being connected with Shropshire if only to say geographically.Remember, as Alan reiterated and you saw for yourself, Whittington is only a few miles from Shrewsbury, and parts of Wales, which may or may not have included such as co. Denbigh, were said to have crossed over or assimilated into Wales and/or been considered part of Shropshire at different times.Then there is my question which has always bugged us both, who is Robert's father.If not Wm. Fitz Alan, was it possibly anoter Lord of Oswestry, earl of Shrewsbury, identified as such and taken for granted to have meant Wm. Fitz Alan.At different times between Wm. Pantulf's disinheritance and the reign of anarchy, i.e., Steven, Welsh invaders also held Oswestry.The cruxt of the problem might be that since no dates are immediately evident or given and we still can't be sure if the Warin identified with Robert was or was not part of this Eyton juxta Alberbury/ Whittington/Denbigh/Flint group were these de Eyton families totally independant or interrelated. More to the point, if totally separate, since we still don't have a birth parent or fixed date for our Robert de Eyton who might have originally been part of this de Eyton crew or vice versa, which came first. And after the fact, were there any marriages between these families as was common amongst the more fortunate to hold properties.I wanted also to comment (and have included on my paper) on Joe's list of families from the windows with respect to Kynaston - this was said to have been the same as Eyton of Plas-yn-cwm, co. Flint which would tie into the Windows.This history is found from a paper by Dennis Davie, July 1951 and rev. Oct. 64 in the same region identified as Vale of Llangollen, Co. Dnbigh where the Ruabon mountains slope to the plains of Maelor.This family is identified with John ab Ellis Eyton of the house named Rhiwabon which later became known as Watstay, who married Gwenllian, heiress of Bodylltyn.It states "on the death of Roger Eyton, his daughter Catherine and her husband Roger Kynaston succeeded to the estate.He was the son of Humphrey Kynaston of Morton by his wife Sian daughter of Oliver Lloyd of Llay.The Kynastons were 'descended from the Greys of Powis and the Greys from Antigony, daughter of Humphrey, Duke of Gloucestor, fourth son of Henry IV (History of Oswestry Cathedral, p. 231).Among his more immediate forbears was his namesake Sir Roger Kynaston (his great, great grandather), who was constable of Denbigh castle, 1454 . . . "We find Roger's name appended to letters along with signatures of Richard Lloyd, vicar (father of Humphrey Lloyd, Bishop of Bangor 1673-1688), and others.This is also verified in the Wynnstay manuscripts at the National Library of Wales.His son, John Kynaston, was married to Elizabeth, heiress of Bryngwyn in Montgomeryshire w/ 5 sons, Roger, Humphrey, Richard, John and Charles.
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Re: Sheriffs & Eaton beginnings
Rick Eaton 8/03/01