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Re: Maria Van Siclen Bible
Posted by: D G Van Curen (ID *****7681) Date: March 09, 2003 at 08:45:48
In Reply to: Re: Maria Van Siclen Bible by Ed Gusman of 69

While rereading this thread, I ran across this reference, and thought I should make some comment on same...as it directly reflects upon Eddie's (lack of) credibility, and since it specifically questions my knowledge of the subject. He constantly makes comments about "facts" I am unaware of, however his comments (like this one) are almost always inaccurate.

Eddie: "Another Dutch custom of which Doug may not be aware is that most, if not all, Protestant Dutch people did not give their children a middle name"

Eddie was trying to prove that Hannah Lawson could not have a middle name, based upon what he perceives as Dutch Custom. So, let me pull my copy of the Kingston Dutch Reformed Church Baptismal records off the shelf, open it to the approximate time period of Hannah's birth(@ 1775), and see if "ALL" Dutch children were, in fact, baptized without middle names.

Baptism # 7708, page 376, John Elmendorph - son Peter ZABRISKIE Elmendorph baptized 17 May, 1775

#7711, page 376, George JACOB LEONHARD Doll, son Wilhelmus JACOB Doll, baptised 4 Jun, 1775

#7734, page 377, Petrus Heinbach, dau Maria Elisabeth, baptised 8 Oct, 1775

#7779, page 379, Daniel Arwel, son Richard OKLY Arwel, baptized 17 May, 1776

#7799, page 380, John Livingston, son Henry ALEXANDER Livingston, baptized 1 Sep, 1776

#7802, page 380, Elias Haasbrough, son Richard MONTGOMERY Haasbrough, baptised 22 Sep, 1776

#7857, page 383, Nicolaas Timmerman, dau Anna MARIETJE Timmerman, baptised 18 May, 1777

#7862, page 383, Johann ADAM Jebel, dau Maria BARBARA Jebel, baptised 6 Jun, 1777

Middle names, though not common, were found in Dutch Protestant baptisms in the 1700s. Middle names became more popular afyer 1800, but it was certainly not a "NEW" concept. Refer to the same book, page 2, baptism 15, 12 Feb 1662:

Antoni Crepel, Maria Blanchan, dau Mari"MADDELEEN" Crepel...sponsor, Maddeleen Blanchan...and that was in 1662.

Ed likes to "prove" his case by using "facts" that he has made up. Once again, he has proven that he has no knowledge of things he claims to be expert in. I have copies of *86* Dutch Protestant Church baptism records in my personal library. In that respect, I am qualified to make observation on the subject of Protestant Dutch middle names...and my observation is:

Eddy's statement, like his fictitious lineage, has no basis in fact. The odd part is...Hannah was not baptised with a middle name, and probably did not have one...so Why did Eddy feel it necessary to invent a false custom to establish that which is already known? Because he "thinks" the Hannah buried at Brighton was "Hanna H.", instead of "Hannah". Grasping at straws to find anything to create doubt about what "real" records prove. Sorry Eddy, Cornelius Van Siclen and wife, Hannah Lawson of Brighton are now, and will always be, parents of Maria VS Eastling.



Van


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