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Re: Marker mismatch
Posted by: Linda Rudd (ID *****4964) Date: October 07, 2012 at 16:08:44
In Reply to: Re: Marker mismatch by Robert Stafford of 4683

Thank you Robert for your time and advice, I am a family genealogist and this DNA stuff makes my eyes roll back in my head! I remember reading about the BYU program that incorporated paper genealogies with DNA testing, and I wondered how that turned out. What I have now on paper for this family line is a long way from where it was several years ago. It was very mixed up for a lot of reasons. I would not call it complete, but I do know where the possible NPEs could be.

Short of a sample mix up for Harry’s results, which is minimal I agree, I now have 3 different Y-DNAs that are called Rudd; Harry, Dave and Arthur. I sent number 4, Rodney’s test off yesterday, and hopefully, in a week or so, I don’t end up with 4 different males called Rudd! One of these samples is likely the authentic Burlingham Rudd Y-DNA and the others are from some other relationship in the family. Even though the DNA can’t tell me the relationships between the 4 male lines, I think it might be able to help me sort out the make up of the early family based on my paper genealogy.

Y-search and Whit Athey’s predictor indicate that Dave and Harry are R1b and Arthur is I1. I ran the values thru Y-search and no matches for any of the 3 males. I came across a predictor by Jim Cullen and ran them thru there. His predictor doesn’t give me the subgroup for R1b, but the results were interesting to me and I would like to impose on you once again to help me understand.

Dave
Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
R1b-Frisian =>86% R1b-Frisian3 =>7% R1b-S21* =>6%

Harry
Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
R1b-Leinster =>38% R1b-North/South 1 =>26% R1b-S28 =>16% R1b-North/South 2 =>7% R1b =>6% R1b-Ub =>2% R1b-S21-Scottish2 =>2% R1b-IrishIII =>1%

Arthur
Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
I-M253 =>100%
Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows:
I-M253-AS4 =>72% I-M253-ASgen =>11% I-M253-ND =>4% I-M253-1313 =>3% I-M253-AS9a =>3% I-L22-N =>3% I-M253-AS10 =>1% I-M253-T13 =>1% I-M253-AS1 =>1%

Dave:
I know a bit about the founding of East Anglia and the Frisians (Angles, Jutes, Saxons, etc.) who crossed the North Sea centuries ago. Knowing that Burlingham Rudd came from Norfolk and the prevalence of the Rudd surname back to the 1500s, it looks to me like Dave’s DNA is most likely representative of Burlingham Rudd.

Harry:
I understand that Leinster is province in Ireland and I looked up Ub as ubiquitous, but what is North/South, Scottish2 and IrishIII representative of? Is Harry’s DNA Irish? Could that have migrated to Wales? Because I also know a bit about the populations that settled the area of North Carolina where the Rudd family lived by 1745 and there was a Welsh migration into the area of South Carolina near them in the mid-1730s. Harry’s ancestor line is also mine and I’ve determined on paper that it is most likely our direct descendant came from a second or third family, so a NPE is possible here and I now suspect an adoption.

Arthur:
I have not idea what this means but I think I figured out with Google that it’s Norse? What would be the ethnicity? Irish? Scottish? On my paper genealogy, the relationship of Arthur to the family has always been uncertain, so I don’t believe it likely his DNA to be representative of Burlingham Rudd, but he has some relationship to the Rudd family and probably a NPE. So the same question, could this DNA have migrated thru Wales?

I’d appreciate your insights and thank you for your time!


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