Re: Cindy Deuel died in World Trade attack
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In reply to:
Re: Cindy Deuel died in World Trade attack
11/30/01
Dear Richard:
Thank you for forwarding the file to me, I looked it over.
I found the following in the 1850 census for Saratoga, Saratoga County, NY p. 258:
Henry Deuel38MCarpenter
Ann Deuel38F
George W.15M
Isaac12M
Esther66F
I guess the thing that struck me first, given what you sent me, was the occupation.
The census information would fit in with Esther, the widow of Jeremiah6, living with her son Henry7, so now I have no doubt that this guy existed and that the line is right going back to Dartmouth.
And the pattern of movement of the family makes sense. I looked at a couple of histories of Philadelphia, Jefferson Co., to get a lay of the land. (You just can't get a decent cheesesteak or soft pretzels out here, though). It was founded ca. 1805 by Quakers from PA. Stephen Post, son-in-law to Silas S.5 is mentioned, I didn't see any Deuels. There were quite a few suspicious-looking individuals, however. Weeden Mosher stood out, to a guy from RI this guy is stamped on both ends (the Weedens were a Newport Quaker family, for while back in the 1600s it seemed like every Weeden married a Peckham and vice versa), and sure enough he is Weeden9 Mosher. The original Hugh1 Mosher was in Newport, the second generation goes to Dartmouth, the third generation marries an aunt of Silas4 Deuel, the fourth generation goes to Dutchess, the fifth generation to Saratoga. Likewise, there were some Macombers lurking around out there in Philadelphia and I looked in Stackpole's Macomber genealogy and there are a number who take the same Dartmouth/Dutchess/Saratoga/Philadelphia, Jefferson trip.
So, looking from the optimistic side, it could be seven generations down and one to go, I'd like to either confirm or cross off this guy Henry7. Of course the big fish is John J., not born yet in 1850 so he couldn't be listed here, and he's a lot tougher nut than the first seven, but that's often the way it goes.
I also saw the image for the 1870 census in Mexico, Oswego with a John Deuel (it looks to me like "Dewel"), age 14,living with Jared & Phebe Ball. Do you know why Cindy was looking for information on Ann Underhill, daughter of James Underhill and Mary Dickenson? I'm hoping that you guys had some additional angle on this, because the sister of the Ann Underhill she was looking for, Phebe Underhill, was the wife of this Jared Ball (according to the ancestral file I looked at, the Ann Underhill who Cindy was looking for died young). These Underhills for several generations were from Hyde Park, (originally part of Crum Elbow, I believe) which is prime Deuel country (I'm getting a quick education in New York geography, because I knowhow important a factorplace can be in trying to track people). There is another Jared Ball in the 1840 census for Schuylerville, Saratoga Co., I haven't looked at it yet but I'm wondering if there was some connection between the Ball/Deuel families back in Saratoga Co. so that there may be a previous relationship or at least acquaintance.
Do you happen to know the page number of the Richland, Oswego census of 1870 that lists a Henry Deuel?
I still like your idea of Jay Clarence Deuel, these two transcontinental movements more than likely show some family connection. It isn't like they both came back to a place like Saratoga or Dutchess where there were a lot of Deuels, I don't think we could infer much from a move like that. But Passaic? I haven't found anything on a Jay Clarence Deuel, but I'll throw out my wild clue from left field for the day: Isaac Newton8 (Henry7) Deuel & Sophia Bobzien had a child, according to IGI, in 1882 named Clarence Rolen Deuel in Atlantic, Cass Co, Iowa (I found this by looking for anyone under the name of Clarence Deuel, and the references were few). He named his first child after his brother George Wilbur8, could this naming be a tribute to a (half)brother known to him as "Clarence"?
Warmest regards,
Your (to a 90%+) probability 8th cousin once-removed, and (if we're lucky) 7th cousin once-removed.
Rick