Re: Cindy Deuel died in World Trade attack
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Re: Cindy Deuel died in World Trade attack
Richard Gifford 11/21/01
I have some more random thoughts, maybe they'll help reach the solution to this.
1. It seems to me that all the people who I see, albeit with these limited (and flawed) resources of the IGI/familysearch are connected to Saratoga, either themselves or through a father or grandfather. Saratoga seems to be the gate through which any promising Deuel has passed.
2. If we can't track him by looking from 1811 looking backward, can we can something by starting in 1640 and looking forward? Let's take the set of people named "Deuel," however many that is, just that spelling and not the others, at least to begin with, who lived in New York from say, c1790 (the assumed latest date of Henry's father) and anytime back. Would I be correct in assuming that you and Cindy and other researchers of this line have discovered no other line of ancestry, not just of Henry but of anyone named Deuel who lived in NY from 1790 back, who came originally from some line other than William1 Davol, or even other than through one of the sons of Jonathan2 Davol of Dartmouth? In other words, are there Deuel lines that are in NY by 1790 which you (or anyone else) can say "I know the ancestors of this line back to 1640 or England or wherever, and they do not originate from William1 Davol and they have nothing to do with the Dartmouth Davol/Deuels?" I suspect the answer is no, they couldn't say that, but I am not a researcher of this line so I'm not sure. The reason it is significant is that it can help me look at the other side of the equation. If you took another surname I am familiar with, let's say "Mosher," I could look at someone in New York before say 1790 and say with a degree that at least approaches and probably equals 100% that "that person is descended from Hugh1 Mosher, there is nobody in NY before that time who can trace a line of descent that doesn't go back through him." The "Davol-Dee" genealogy would seem to suggest that such is the case with Davol/Deuels, but this is a very "narrow" genealogy tracing one particular line of descent and isn't comprehensive enough to really figure this out. If it's true that all of the traced lines inevitably lead back to William1 Davol, then it's a reasonable presumption that the "undiscovered" or untraced lines do as well, including Henry,and we can start chopping the family tree from the bottom up instead of from the top down. And in a way that would be easier going, because there are less branches to "cut" from the possibilities when you start from the bottom up.
3. We have Henry and then John J[ames?]. If you had to speculate, without knowing anything more, so that you have a piece of line, any line, in the sequence of ????/Henry/John, what is the best guess for the first name in this line? I would say Henry, the son named for his father, but this is not promising given the dearth of other suitable Henrys from 1790 back. But remember that, at least since of "King Harry" who Shakespeare wrote about in Henry V, Henry = Harry. And remember too that a prime suspect, Henry7 Deuel, had a son named Harry (b. 1860). There's someone interesting in James Harry Deuel (1837-1863) of Licking, OH, whose father was Harry Martin Deuel (1797-1844)of Saratoga. This ancestral file does not trace his line back, but I see in IGI that there is a James Deuel m. Esther Martin in Saratoga ca. 1796. So this line goes James/Harry/James Harry, which at least gives us a recurrence of the name Harry (=Henry) in connection with Saratoga.
My second-best guess would be to fill in the ---/Henry/John blank with John/Henry/John, here the John would repeat from grandfather to grandson. Again, just trying to connect what seems even remotely promising, I guess the first would be John W. (could the middle name be "Wilbur"?) Deuel, b. 1813 in Saratoga, son of Edmund (the same Edmund who is the father of the Henry Deuel b. 1803 mentioned in my first message). There seems to be conflicting information on IGI on this family. There are some references to this John W. being born in Dartmouth on the same date, and some have his father as Edward rather than Edmund and there are Dartmouth locations given for Edmund/Edward as well. Edward's wife is given as a Blackmore, that doesn't sound like a Dartmouth name to me but if Edmund/Edward has has a Dartmouth beginning I should be able to flush him out. Once I can push anyof these people back to Dartmouth they're going to be on my territory and it's going to be hard for them to hide, it's going to be a different ballgame from tracking the ones who chickened out and moved to Saratoga or Dutchess early on and moved out of my range, where all I've got is the IGI.
The second John, it's hard for me to tell is this is two people or one, is John Deuel m. Cynthia Mosher ca. 1812 in Saratoga. We've got to regard him as a potential father to Henry I guess, the date of marriage is close enough to not exclude the possibility. But if he was, and trying to hide it, he made a mistake by marrying a Mosher, because in Laura Clarenbach's "Descendants of Hugh Mosher" it may well have the children of this marriage, this is a very thorough genealogy. IGI has a John Deuel (son of Jonathan Deuel + Patience Milk) (Milk is another Dartmouth family), born in Saratoga 1785, this could be the birth record.
4. It's getting too late at night for me to focus, I'll pick up this line of thought another time,but your idea about "Jay Clarence Deuel" certainly makes sense, there's nothing all that promising that I can trace back directly but there are traces to a Clarence, son of Allen, and the confluence of Clarence/Allen has connections with Wilbur6 Deuel/Dewell, maybe that connects in there somehow.
5. One of Cindy's messages was talking about Holland Rodolphus Duell, whose ultimately connected to New Rochelle, I was totally unsuccesful in making anything out of this line forward or sideways, but on the IGI the mother of this guy is Rhoda Howland [Howland = Holland](Potter) Duell from Dartmouth. So Rhoda is a descendant of Henry1 Howland and Nathaniel1 Potter, (I haven't gone through the exercise of tracing them, but I'd be very surprised if they are not) and there are relatively good genealogies for both of these families, maybe there's a back door to this Duell line through the maternal side. It may not be that significant in itself, but it gives me the idea,going back to the real problem of solving Henry, that maybe there's a way, if we can't get him from the top down or bottom up, we can get in on the [maternal] side, if his parents were Quaker. And I'm thinking, just to make a note to myself to follow up on, the first name Henry is interesting, of all of the Dartmouth Quaker families I can think of, the first name Henry is not unheard of but rare. But there is one family that is an exception, the name Henry repeats from generation to generation, and there are a number of this surname who move to Saratoga. The Howlands, or more specifally the descendants of Henry1 Howland (his brothers Arthur1 Howland and John1 Howland of the Mayflower were also early immigrants, but the family of the last was Puritan).
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