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Re: Canadian, Fritz (Fred) Dettman(190?)
Posted by: Mimi Malcolm (ID *****7164) Date: March 27, 2005 at 11:20:45
In Reply to: Canadian, Fritz (Fred) Dettman(190?) by Carole-lea Knight of 65

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Descendants of John Frederick Dudman


Generation No. 1

1. JOHN FREDERICK1 DUDMAN was born 09 Nov 1819 in Mechlenberg, Germany, and died 24 Feb 1904 in Kinmount, Ontario.. He married (1) JANE MCGUIRE, daughter of THOMAS MCGUIRE and MARY WHITE. She was born 31 May 1828 in County Cavan, Ireland, and died 28 Apr 1917 in Kinmount, Ontario.. He married (2) DORAH COBEN. She died 1865 in Kinmount, Ontario..

Notes for JOHN FREDERICK DUDMAN:
John Dudman had 3 sons and a daughter from his first marraige before he married Jane Maguire/McGuire who had been previously married to a Mr. Harris. Source: Joseph Ingram Jane Maguire/McGuire's notes.
John Frederick Dudman came from Mecklenburgh, Germany where he was a coachman for a very wealthy family. He came to Canada about 1855 where he first lived in Port Hope, then in 1857/58 he moved to Kinmount. His name was originally Dettman, but upon arriving in Kinmount he learned there was another Dettman family and so to avoid confusion he changed his name to Dudman.
Source: Dudman family information supplied 20 June 2001 by Jennifer Andrus a Dudman descendant living in Haliburton.

Source Information: 1901 Census of Canada
Subdistrict: Galway, VICTORIA (North/Nord), ONTARIO
District Number: 119
Subdistrict Number: i-2
Archives Microfilm: T-6501
Numbered in order of visitation Personal Description
House, Family or Household, Name, Sex, Color, birthday,
Relationship to head of family or household. Single,
married,widowed or divorced. Month and date of birth. Year of birth. Age at last birthday.

5 29 46 Dudman John M Head M Nov 9 1819 81
5 30 46 Dudman Jane F Wife M May 31 1828 72
5 31 46 Dudman Charles M Son S Sep 12 1856 44
5 32 46 Dudman James M Son S Oct 10 1864 36
5 33 46 Dudman William J. M Son S Jan 13 1867 34
5 34 46 McGuire William M Lodger S Jun 22 1835 65
5 35 46 Mitchell Margret F Lodger W Nov 20 1837 63

My Jane (McGuire) Dudman family, 2 other Dudman families and 2 Molyneaux families. Source 1891 census Galway Township;
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ongenpro/census/index.html

Note:
This is a different census transcription project than the 1901 Canada Census Project at; http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/cache/
NationalSummary.jsp

1891 Galway Twp , Victoria
Copyright (c)2004, Robert D. Horslen, OntarioGenWeb (http://welcome.to/ontariogenweb)
Transcriber: Robert D. Horslen
NAC: T-6363
LDS: 1465788
PG HN LAST_NAME FIRST_NAME SEX AGE MARITAL RELATIONSP PLAC_BIRTH BIRTH_FATH BIRTH_MOTH RELIGION OCCUPATION
7 36 Dudman John (Frederick) M 70 M Head Germany Germany Germany Ch Eng Farmer
7 36 Dudman Jane F 57 M Wife Ireland Ireland Ireland Ch Eng *(my Jane McGuire)
7 36 Dudman Charles M 34 S Son Ontario Germany Ireland Ch Eng Farmer
7 36 Dudman James M 27 S Son Ontario Germany Ireland Ch Eng Farmer
7 36 Dudman William M 23 S Son Ontario Germany Ireland Ch Eng Farmer
7 36 Dudman Emma F 19 S Daughter Ontario Germany Ireland Ch Eng

3 14 Dudman Ford M 58 M Head Germany Germany Germany C Presb Farmer
3 14 Dudman Christina F 58 M Wife Germany Germany Germany C Presb
3 14 Dudman Charles W M 12 S Son Ontario Germany Germany C Presb

1891 Galway Twp , Victoria
Copyright (c)2004, Robert D. Horslen, OntarioGenWeb (http://welcome.to/ontariogenweb)
Transcriber: Robert D. Horslen
NAC: T-6363 LDS: 1465788
17 86 Dudman Forchill? M 35 M Head Ontario Germany Germany C Presb Farmer
17 86 Dudman MaryAnn F 30 M Wife Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
17 86 Dudman John M 12 S Son Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
17 86 Dudman Eva F 10 S Daughter Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
17 86 Dudman George M 9 S Son Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
17 86 Dudman Mary Ellen F 7 S Daughter Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
17 86 Dudman Henry M 5 S Son Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
17 86 Dudman Sarah F 3 S Daughter Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
17 86 Dudman Christina F 1 S Daughter Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb

1891 Galway Twp , Victoria
Copyright (c)2004, Robert D. Horslen, OntarioGenWeb (http://welcome.to/ontariogenweb)
Transcriber: Robert D. Horslen
NAC: T-6363
LDS: 1465788
*(Transcription error - Correct spelling is Molyneaux)
21 106 Mulenceaux John M 31 M Head Ontario Ontario Scotland C Presb Farmer
21 106 Mulenceaux Sarah F 27 M Wife Ontario Germany Germany C Presb
21 106 Mulenceaux John M 4 S Son Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
21 106 Mulenceaux Bruce M 1 S Son Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb

*(Transcription error - Correct spelling is MOLYNEAUX
21 107 Mulenceaux Duncan M 21 M Head Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth Farmer
21 107 Mulenceaux Albert M 15 M Brother Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth
21 107 Mulenceaux Sarah F 13 S Sister Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth
21 107 Mulenceaux William M 11 S Brother Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth



More About JOHN FREDERICK DUDMAN:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, on.

Notes for JANE MCGUIRE:
Quoted from the letter by Jean C. Ingram, Dec. 16, 1945 quoting Maguire/McGuire family history recorded by Joseph Ingram, Jean's father.
"Jane Maguire first Married a Mr. Harris, having two daughters by that marriage. After his death she married a Dutch man, John Dudman, who had three sons and one daughter. To that marriage Jane had one daughter, Emma (now Mrs. Mulnox) and one son, William; both of them live at Kinmount yet. William never married but lived with his bachelor half-brother Charles Dudman, who died in 1944 at age 90."
Submitted by Mary Anne "Mimi" Malcolm, granddaughter of Jean C. Hutchinson
1901 Haliburton Census indicates Jane Dudman immigrated to Canada in 1847. Both her sister Margaret & brother William were lodgers with Jane and according to the census immigrated in 1854. Source: census lookup by Jim Downard

Watchman Warder, Lindsay, May 1917
"Again the Angel of death visited this vicinity on April 29th, and claimed
for its victim one of our aged and highly respected settlers, Mrs. Jane
Dudman (Jane McGuire), widow of the late John Dudman. The deceased was born in Ireland May 31st, 1831, and came to Canada at an early age, later coming to Kinmount about fifty years ago, where she remained until her death. She was a loving mother, a kind neighbour to everyone, and her departure is keenly felt by a great many. After a brief illness of three days she passed to her final resting place in her 86th year, her illness being chiefly due to weakness. She leaves to mourn her loss three sons and one daughter, namely: William and Charles (stepson), at home; Mrs. Duncan Molyneaux, of Union Creek; Henry (stepson) of Burnt River, and her sister, Mrs. S. Morgan, of Kinmount. Her husband and son Jim (stepson) predeceased her thirteen years ago; also her daughters, Mrs. John Lyle, of Kinmount, and
Mrs. John Clark, of Kansas, have predeceased her. Those who attended her funeral from a distance were her granddaughters, Irene Molyneaux, of White Lake, and Hazel Molyneaux of Gelert; her nieces, Mrs. F. Hamilton, of Bethany, and Mrs. W. Kincaid of Peterborough; her nephews, Mr. Joe Ingram of Peterborough, and Mr. John Ingram, of Toronto. The sorrowing ones have the deepest sympathy of their many friends and neighbours"

More About JANE MCGUIRE:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

More About DORAH COBEN:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.
       
Children of JOHN DUDMAN and JANE MCGUIRE are:
       i.       WILLIAM JOHN2 DUDMAN, b. 13 Jan 1868; d. 18 Dec 1947, Kinmount, Ontario..

Notes for WILLIAM JOHN DUDMAN:
William never married and lived with his batchelor half-brother Charles Dudman who died in 1944 at age 90
Confirmed by Dudman descendant Jennifer Andrus and McGuire descendant Jim Low from family records.

More About WILLIAM JOHN DUDMAN:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

2.       ii.       EMMA ELIZABETH 'ELIZA' DUDMAN, b. 07 Feb 1872; d. 1957.

       
Children of JOHN DUDMAN and DORAH COBEN are:
       iii.       HENRY2 DUDMAN, b. Abt. 1858; m. ANNIE NELSON; b. Abt. 1870.

Notes for HENRY DUDMAN:
016036-00 Henry DUDMAN , 42, farmer, widower, Galway, Somerville, s/o John DUDMAN & illegible COBEN, married Annie NELSON, 30, Otonobee, Somerville, d/o Thomas NELSON & Sarah M. FORD. Witn: Mrs. McCONNELL & Gareta McCONNELL both of Kinmount. December 13, 1900, Kinmount

       iv.       JAMES DUDMAN, b. 10 Oct 1864.
       v.       CHARLES DUDMAN, b. 12 Sep 1856.
       vi.       SOPHIA DUDMAN, b. Abt. 1842, Mecklenberg, Germany; m. WILLIAM DAWSON; b. Abt. 1834, Canada.

1880 United States Federal Census > Michigan > Antrim > Central Lake Twp. > District 30 June 24, 1880.
Lines 5-14 Inclusive.
Dawson, William, age 46, a farmer, he and parents born in Canada
Sophie, wife, age 38, keeping house, she and parents born Mecklenberg (Germany)
John A., age 11, born Canada
William G, age 10, born Canada
Clarissa J., age 9, born Canada
James H., age 7, born Michigan
Sidney, age 4, born Michigan
Hiram, age 2, born Michigan
All children except Hiram attended school.
James, age 80, listed as father of William Dawson. Disabled due to old age. Born in Canada, his father born in Ireland, mother born in NY.
Dudman, John, age 56, Uncle, laborer, born Germany, father born Germany, mother born Mecklenberg.


Generation No. 2

2. EMMA ELIZABETH 'ELIZA'2 DUDMAN (JOHN FREDERICK1) was born 07 Feb 1872, and died 1957. She married DUNCAN MOLYNEAUX 04 Dec 1895 in Bobcaygeon, Ontario, son of JOHN MOLYNEAUX and MARGARET BEETH. He was born 1870, and died 1947.

Notes for EMMA ELIZABETH 'ELIZA' DUDMAN:
According to Joseph Ingram's account of the family history of his maternal grandfather Thomas Maguire/McGuire, Emma and her husband lived in Kinmount, Ontario.

More About EMMA ELIZABETH 'ELIZA' DUDMAN:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

Notes for DUNCAN MOLYNEAUX:
Source: Marriage registration obtained by Jim Downard.
1891 Galway Twp , Victoria
Copyright (c)2004, Robert D. Horslen, OntarioGenWeb (http://welcome.to/ontariogenweb)
Transcriber: Robert D. Horslen
NAC: T-6363
LDS: 1465788
*(Transcription error - Correct spelling is Molyneaux)
21 106 Mulenceaux John M 31 M Head Ontario Ontario Scotland C Presb Farmer
21 106 Mulenceaux Sarah F 27 M Wife Ontario Germany Germany C Presb
21 106 Mulenceaux John M 4 S Son Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb
21 106 Mulenceaux Bruce M 1 S Son Ontario Ontario Ontario C Presb

*(Transcription error - Correct spelling is MOLYNEAUX
21 107 Mulenceaux Duncan M 21 M Head Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth Farmer
21 107 Mulenceaux Albert M 15 M Brother Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth
21 107 Mulenceaux Sarah F 13 S Sister Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth
21 107 Mulenceaux William M 11 S Brother Ontario Ontario Scotland Meth


More About DUNCAN MOLYNEAUX:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.
Farmed: Victoria, Co, Ontario.

Marriage Notes for EMMA DUDMAN and DUNCAN MOLYNEAUX:
Source of mariage information;
12143-95 (Victoria Co): Duncan MOLYNEAUX, 25, farmer, Somerville, Galway twp., s/o John & Maggie, married Emma Eliza DUDMAN, 23, Galway twp., same, d/o John & Jane, witn: William John DUDMAN & Sarah MOLYNEAUX, both of Galway twp., 4 Dec 1895 at Bobcaygeon
(Duncan Molyneaux is my 1st cousin -2 McGuire line

9982-95 Duncan MOLYNEAUX, 25, farmer, Galway twp., same, s/o John & Mrs., married Emma DUTTMAN, 23, Galway twp., same, d/o John DUTTMAN & Jane McGUIRE, witn: Charles DUTTMAN & Sarah MOLYNEUX, both of Galway, 4 Dec 1895 at Bobcaygeon
(This is the same Duncan Molyneaux as in Reg #12143-95. It looks like the marriage was registered twice to account for the interchange of names between the original German name Duttman and the family who changed the spelling to Dudman. Strange but understandable as the bride wanted to make sure she was properly married?)
       
Children of EMMA DUDMAN and DUNCAN MOLYNEAUX are:
       i.       IRENE JANE3 MOLYNEAUX, b. 07 Feb 1898; d. 04 Sep 1991; m. WILLIAM DAVID MCELWAIN; b. 25 Sep 1890; d. 13 Mar 1944.

More About IRENE JANE MOLYNEAUX:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

Marriage Notes for IRENE MOLYNEAUX and WILLIAM MCELWAIN:
Source for // McElwain name: Carol Burk a descendant of Jane McGuire

       ii.       HAZEL MARGARET MOLYNEAUX, b. 15 Feb 1899, Kinmount, Ontario.; d. 25 Oct 1979; m. WALLACE SCOTT, 29 Dec 1920, Lindsay, On. Reg #023836; b. 01 Oct 1895, Kinmount, Ontario..

More About HAZEL MARGARET MOLYNEAUX:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

More About WALLACE SCOTT:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

       iii.       CHARLES JOHN MOLYNEAUX, b. 09 Jan 1904; d. 05 Jan 1992.

More About CHARLES JOHN MOLYNEAUX:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

       iv.       ETHEL MAY MOLYNEAUX, b. 1905; d. 1993; m. LESLIE EDWARD 'LES' SWANTON; b. 1903; d. 1986.

More About ETHEL MAY MOLYNEAUX:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.

More About LESLIE EDWARD 'LES' SWANTON:
Burial: Kinmount Cemetery, Kinmount, Ontario.




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