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Hi Ken, yes I knew that a Joseph DeArman was living with the Stansell family. He must be connected in some way with Ury. He could be a son of the DeArman who married Catherine. (Do you have the book The DeArmond Families by Roscoe C. d'Armand?). Or the son of William Derman who was a brother to my Jonathan. They both had sons born ca 1800. In 1880 Joseph was living with Pat
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