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Re: Quebec/N.B. Desilva Clement - Marie Blais - 19th/20th century
Posted by: Jean-Paul HUBERT (ID *****8055) Date: September 11, 2004 at 12:13:30
In Reply to: Re: Quebec/N.B. Desilva Clement - Marie Blais - 19th/20th century by Anita La Pointe of 226

Hi Anita.

With the help of some excellent genealogists, I have some interesting findings to offer you about the ancestry of Clarisse DASSLYVA.

(1) According to the marriage registry of Grande Rivière, Clarisse DASYLVA was wedded there on 10 July 1852 to Bernard LAPOINTE (son of Gabriel LAPOINTE & Tharsile LEBLANC). Clarisse is described as the dau. of Thomas DASSYILA & Anastasie SAVARD

(2) According to the marriage registry of La Malbaie, the marriage between Thomas DASSYLVA-PORTUGAIS and Anastasie SAVARD (dau. Jean-Baptiste SAVARD & Madeleine LAVOIE) took place there on 24 Nov. 1829. Thomas, i.e. Clarisse father, is described therein as being the son of Jean DASSYLVA-PORTUGUAIS & Marguerite BARRIAULT. [by the way, that makes a birth of Clarisse in "1833-37" as you say quite plausible]

(3) I have now found that according to the mariage registry of l'lsle-aux-Coudres, Marguerite BARRIAUL, dau, of Charles BARRIAULT & Reine BOUCHE) did marry there on 1 Jun 1795 to one "Jean Bernard ACDENE PORTUGUAIS" said to be the son of Jean ACDENE and Geneviève PORTUGUAIS".

This is where the plot thickens. Indeed, on the basis of (3) above:
- Clarisse DASSYLVA's grand-father would be Jean Bernard ACDENE PORTUGUAIS
- But she would NOT be the grand-daugther, of the male side of her line, of a DASSYLVA-PORTUGUAIS, but of a "Jean ACDENE". It is on the female side that she would be the grand-daughter of a DASSYILVA-PORTUGUAIS, namely Geneviève PORTUGAIS,

Do you follow me, or am I being obscure ?

Here is the explanation.

When Bernard ACDENE, Clarisse;s grand-father, is baptised in Quebec City on 21 Aug 1775 as the son of Joseph ACDENE and Geneviève DASSYLVA, there are two notes on the baptism registry that read as follows:

(i) "Baptism ceremony to obviate those missing when child first baptized at age 3 weeks in the presence of Joseph GILBERT and Angélique SYLVA his wife"
(ii) Age 18 months.

Those notes tell us that Bernard ADCENE was actually born 18 months before 21 Aug 1775, i.e. around Feb 1774, and that there was somehow an incomplete baptism perform 3 weeks after his birth.

My suspicion is that Bernard was not a legitimate son, that his parents, Geneviève DASSYLVA and Jean ADCENE were never married. [I am having the actual baptism registry looked at, but I almost certain that the priest will NOT have used the usual phrase "legitimate son of ...."]. There is NO trace of any such marriage anywhere.

Since that same baptism certificate tells us one Angélique DASSYLVA, wife of one Joseph GILBERT, was a witness, I first looked up that union, and I found:
Joseph GILBERT (Charles & Marie LEFEVBRE) was married to Angélique DASSYLVA (Jean-Marie DASSYILA PORTUGUAIS & Angélique Rosalie AMIOT LINCOURT) on 14 Jan 1760 in Québec.

I later found that that same last couple, i.e. Jean-Marie DASSYILA PORTUGUAIS & Angélique Rosalie AMIOT LINCOURT, besides theur dau. Angélique who married GILBERT and who was present at the incomplete baptism of Bernard ADCENE, son of Joseh ADCENE and one Geneviève PORTUGUAIS, also had a daughter who, low and behold, was called Geneviève, born Feb 19, 1742.

So if Geneviève DASSYLVA and Angélique DASSYLVA are indeed sisters, that would mean that Clarisse DASSYLVA great-grand-parents were Jean-Marie DASSYILA PORTUGUAIS & Angélique Rosalie AMIOT LINCOURT.

It would therefore appear that since Bernard ADCENE who marries Marguerite BARRIAU in 1795 (and who happens to be Clarisse's grand-father], was an elegitimate son of Joseh ADCENE and Geneviève DASSYLVA, at some point he decided to go by her mother's name alone. One proof there of: when he baptises his firts two children norn to his marriage to Marg. BARRIAULT, he only used "DASSYLVA and DASSYLVA PORTUGUAIS". Adopting or going by his mother^s name could be a clear sign that his birth was illegitimate.

As for Geneviève DASSYLVA, who enfed up gaving her name to her son Jean born out of wedlock from Joseph ADCENE , she did eventiually marry, on 21 Aug 1792, to Louis MOREAU, a widower. The certificate says she is still single. Born in 1742, she would have been about 50 by then, so she never had any children from MOREAU.

So, based on the above, here is what the DASLVA ancestry line of Clarisse would be:

Clarisse DASYLVA (Thomas & Anastasie SAVARD)
Bernard LAPOINTE (Gabriel & Tharsile LEBLANC)
Grande-Rivière, 10 July 1852.

Anastasie SAVARD (Jean-Baptiste & Madeleine LAVOIE)
La Malbaie, 24 Nov 1829

Marguerite BARRIAULT (Charles, Reine BOUCHE)
Ile-aux-Coudres, 1 Jun 1795

[Geneviève DASSYLVA PORTUGUAIS not being married, we then swich to HER Dasslyva line)

Jean-Marie DASSYLVA (Pierre DASSYLVA dit Le Portuguais & Jeanne GRESLON)
Angélique Rosalie AMIOT dit LINCOURT (Etienne AMIOT & Jeanne DEROME)
26 Oct 1727, Quebec City

Pierre DASSYLVA dit Le Portuguais (Joseph DASSYLVA & Marie FRANCOIS)
Jeanne GRESLON dit Laviolette (Jacques GRESLON & JeanneVIGNAULT)
marriage contract dated Max 16, 1677 in Quebec.

I already told you where Joseh DASSYLVA came from, in Portugal .

One mystery remains: who exactly was that Joseph ACDENE that fathered Jean from Geneviève DASSYLVA ?

The only traces I can find of any ACDENE in the registries of New France before the registered baptism of Bernard in 1775, fathered by Joseph ACDENE to Geneviève DASSYLVA, are that of one Pierre ACDENE, a soldier, who is a witness at two baptisms in Montreal in 1732 and 1733. Might he have been the father of Joseph ? I am afraid we may never know.

Best regards,


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