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Va Dare 1587 d/o Ananias, b/o John Dare
Posted by: Barry Wetherington Date: January 14, 2002 at 15:56:47
In Reply to: Virginia Dare 1587 - 1st American Born by Chuck Gleason of 444

Hi Chuck, (and all who commented on your message)
I'm ListHost of the RootsWeb Dare-L List. In ref to your message, I would very much appreciate the information you have concerning the Gen of Dares back to the 1st millennium AD.

I have pasted below, one message posted to our List which addresses the issue of Virginia Dare and her father Ananias Dare, and Virginia's half brother John:
"Since Robert Satchfeild and John Nokes were named "next of kin" to Ananias Dare "

This is a subject about which I'm quite interested, and look forward to any Dare Geb information which you could provide. Would you mind if I post the information to the Dare-L List, or if you feel you would like to retain some or all, please provide that w/which you feel comfortable.

You will find much nore in our List Archives:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/wetherington.html
and at which anyone can also OneClick join Free.
Barry Wetherington
GGGGG Gs of Elizabeth Dare md Robt Witherington
cbarrywether@hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:38:31 -0400
From: Barry Wetherington <cbarry@flashcom.net>
To: DARE-L@rootsweb.com
Subj: ... Ananias Dare Evaluation part#3/1500s Eng

Hi Dares,
Here is the next installment, part #3, of the Analysis and Synthesis of Research Data, Ananias DARE, by Olivia A. Isil, Research Associate, Roanoke-Elizabethan Project). This focusses on the 1500s in Eng.
Barry Wetherington
OCRed record (uncorrected) from Roanoak Outer Banks History Center Library, Manteo NC

ANANIAS DARE of LONDON and ROANOKE
Analysis and Synthesis of Research Data

The International Genealogical Index (IGIj published by the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints was searched thoroughly for links to Ananias Dare. While the IGI is a secondary source and certainly not without inconsistancy, the ER research team found it to be helpful in many ways. In several instances, entries in the IGI enabled the team to "zero in" on primary source documents, one notable entry being the baptism of Elinor, daughter of John White, in the Parish of St. Martin Ludgate. Subsequent in depth study of that parish register revealed a significant amount of new data above and beyond the single IGI entry cited above.

Since Robert Satchfeild and John Nokes were named "next of kin" to Ananias Dare iii the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Probate Acts of 1594 and 1597 respectively, the Dares cited in the IGI may represent slim links, "shirt tail cousins" so to speak, if in fact they link at all. A thorough search of the IGI for Greater London and every County has turned up the following entries for the 1550-1600 time frame. Given the vagaries of 16th century handwriting and the possibility of a transcription error, every conceivable variant spelling of Dare was checked.

Alice daughter of William Dare, Baptized 21 Feb. 1541, in the Parish of St. Nicholas Cole Abbey

Anna daughter of Richard Dare, Baptized 21 February 1541, in the Parish of St. Nicholas Cole Abbey

Joane daughter of William `Dare, Baptized 13 November, 1543, in the Parish of St. Nicholas Cole Abbey

Marke Dare and Alice Plumpton, Married 19 August 1565, in the Parish of St. Stephen Coleman Street

Ellin daughter of Dare, Baptized 13 November 1571, in the Parish of St. Botolph Without Bishopgate

Marie daughter of Gilbert Dare, Baptized 13 February, 1596, in the Parish of St. l-fary Colechurch and St. hfildred Poultry

There is no Dare "activity" documented in the IGI for the late 1570's, 80's or early 90's, a time critical to the search for A nanias.

The wills of the following Dares should be investigated for possible kinship to Ananias:
Agnes Dare of Elstead, Surrey, Widow, X 1581
Henry Dare of Elstead, Surrey, X 1576
Millicent Dare of Guildford, Surrey X 1578
John Sackville of Guildford Surrey X 1593 } a Satchfield within a few miles of Dares is noteworthy

The will of Millicent Dare (Dory) is in hand and transcription has failed to link her to Ananias or other relevant connections.

Surrey - Gaol prisoners: one Thomas Dare remanded, Croyden Assizes Cal. of Assize Records, Surrey Indictments 1583, #1344

* Note: Professor Quinn's footnote in RV's suggests that Ananias Dare, Roanoke Assistant may have been connected with the Dare family noted in Visitations of
Norfolk 1563 and 1613, one Thomas Dare described as being of London and Norfolk.
This relationship cannot be established with any degree of certainty. Moreover, Robert Satchfeild and John Nokes are described in primary source documents as being next of kin by virtue of a blood relationship to Ananias Dare. Any
connection to the armigerous Dares would have to be a slim one. The issue of next of kin to Ananias will be discussed in detail under the heading of Primary Source, PCC Probate Act. Check Visitations and Dare Heraldry for possible links.

HAMPSHIRE, NORFOLK and SUFFOLK: The following hair-raising entries are from the IGI:
Ananias . . . . . . . son of . . . . . .. C . 24 April 1576, East Tisted, Hants.
Johannis D . son of . . . . . . . .. D . C . 23 Oct 1580, Norwich, Norfolk St.
Stephen

*Note: Both of the preceeding entries have been checked out in the microfilms of
the original parish registers. In both instances, the father's name is not
given. Moreover, careful scrutiny of marriage, christening and burial entries
from both registers failed to turn up any Dares or "linkable" names within the
parishes. While it is still possible that the Ananias and John named above may
be the Assistant's off-spring, it cannot be proved through either the East
Tisted or St Stephen register. However, since it is known with certainty (based
on the Dare Admon of 1594 and '97) that Ananias had a son named John, the
Norwich lead still remains "hot" and more research needs to be done within that
geographic area.

John Dare, Husbandman, X 1624, Will in Archdeaconry of Suffolk
(still trying to locate this will through the Mormons - it allegedly exists but
there is some confusion with the code numbers)

NOTES ON CHRISTIAN NAME ANANIAS:
Not a common name in the 16th c.
Biblical references:

1. A disciple of Jeruselem who held back part of proceeds from the sale of
property when he was under obligation to lay the entire amount at the feet of
the apostles. He was rebuked by Peter as having "lied to the Holy Spirit." (Acts
5: 1)

2. A Christian at Damascus who was informed in a vision of Saul's conversion,
was sent to restore his sight and admit him to the Christian Church by baptism.
(Acts 9: 10-18

Possible Dare/Cage connection: Anthony Cage, Salter of London, St.Mathew Friday
Street, died in 1581. Cage the Salter had a daughter Elizabeth ,t,,,ho married
George Warren in 1564 in the above named parish. A son born to born to George
Warren in St. MFS, September 1586 was christened "ANANIAS". This certainly is
noteworthy for several reasons: the christain name itself is rare; it occurs in
a parish just a "stone's throw" from St. Bride's, Ananias Dare the Assistant's
known parish; it occurs at a time when Roanoke ,-;as "in the news" and
preparations for the '87 colony must have been at a fever pitch. This is made
all the more tantalizing by the fact that one John Cage was with Lane in 1585
and Anthony Cage was a Lost Colonist. T he strong possibility of a Dare-Cage
connection must be investigated.

The "ANANIAS SPOON". According to W. Edward Pitman in his book

THE PAINTER-STAINERS C0, IT'S HALL, PICTURE AND PLATE, (Lond-1913) an inventory
dated June 24, 1766 listed pieces of unique interest, one being a seal top
spoon, circa 1582 engraved with the name " A nanias" . According to ZJ . G .
Bell in A SHORT HISTORY OF THE WORSHIPFUL C0. OF Bricklayers-Tylers it was
customary for apprentices to give a spoon to the company when they became free
of it. When Ananias Dare became free of the BLT's is not known but such a spoon
found in the guildhall of his father-in-late, John White is certainly
note-worthy. The provenance of the Ananias Spoon may never be known as a recent
query to the Worshipful Company of Painter Stainers has revealed that this
particular piece has been lost, stolen, sold or misplaced during this century.
The Company is currently attempting to track it. (Draft another letter to them
for an update ]

Refernces to ANANIAS DARE IN PRIMARY SOURCES currently known: (Calendar of State
Papers, Chancery Proceedings, Acts of the Privy Council, Star Chamber
Proceedings, Wills, Marriage Indexes, Parish Registers and miscellaneous
documents have been combed extensively)

1. Prerogative Court of Canterbury (PCC) Probate Act Book, Administrations,
April 1594, page 95 and Julie 1597 page 213.

2. The Grant of Arms to the Cittie of Ralegh. Three drafts survive: one is owned
by Queens College, Oxford and two by The College of Arms in London.

3. The will of William Bateman, Bricklayer-Tiler of London, PCC 31 Windsor, prob
11/69 (1585-86)

4. The narratives of the Roanoke Voyages as found in Richard Hakluyt's Principal
Navigations.

See attached copies and transcripts of PC C Administrations Act Book entries.

PREROGATIVE COURT OF CANTERBURY
PROBATE ACT BOOK
ADMINISTRATIONS
APRIL 1594
PAGE 95

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Ananias Dare Aforesaid day commission issued to City of
Robert Satchfeild next of kin to London
revoked Ananias Dare who died overseas and
granted anew late, when he was alive of the parish
27 June 1597 of St. Bride Fleet Street in the City Inventory
of London deceased having etc. to examined
administer the goods rights and credits the 14th
of the said deceased to well (and truly)
in the person of Richard Goodall notary
public protor etc. Swore etc. 2s 6d

PREROGATIVE COURT OF CANTERBURY
PROBATE ACT BOOK
ADMINISTRATIONS
JUNE 1597
PAGE 213

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Ananias Dare 27th day issued to John Nokes next of kin C London
to Ananias Dare late of the parish of Saint
Bride of the City of London deceased having Asten_
and so on to administer the goods, rights and
credits of the said deceased during the minority John
of John Dare natural and lawful son of the said
deceased to well (and true to administer) etc in the person of John Robinson
notary public and his proctor etc. swore these present letters of
administration previously 26 April 1594 to a certain Robert Satchfeild
committed and granted in whatsoever way actually today are revoked and
pronounced null and void as to any effect in law.
decree


Analysis of PC C Admons:

Ananias Dare of St. Bride Parish, afteran absence of seven years, was legally
declared to have died overseas. A number of twentieth century sources name St.
Bride's as being the site of the marriage of Ananias Dare and Elinor White,
future parents of Virginia Dare, the first English child born in America. This
notion apparently is based on THE PHOENIX OF FLEET STREET, 2000 YEARS OF ST.
BRIDE'S a book published in 1973 by the then rector of the parish. Since the
Probate Acts naming Ananias as a parishoner had come to light in the late
1950's, the "American Connection" no doubt stimulating a bit of interest and
excitement, the Dare-White marriage at St. Bride's would seem to represent a
leap of faith rather than a known fact. Entries in the St. Bride's Parish
Register at the Guildhall in London beain eaith October 1587. Therefore, it is
not possible that the marriage is documented therein since Ananias and Elinor
had been on Roanoke for seven months by that time and indeed, Virginia Dare had
been born in August. A register pre-dating the one currently kept at the
Guildhall is not known to exist and a record of the Dare-White union has not
been found in other parish registers or in London marriage indexes. While it is
possible that the marriage took place at St. Bride's, our current research casts
more than a reasonable doubt on the probability. It is far more likely that the
marriage took place at the bride's church or perhaps at a country home, which
according to other parish and marriage records, seemed to be the prevailing
custom of the day.

John Dare, natural and lawful son of Ananias Dare: The PCC Probate Act
Administration of June 1597 states that John Dare was the "fili nralis et ltimo
dti defuncti", the natural and lawful son of the said deceased. The word
naturalis (natural), legitimo (lawful,", and dicti (of the said) are abbreviated
in the original Latin. 20th C . scholarship on the subject has pronounced John a
"bastard" due to misinterpretation of 16th C . Latin shorthand or application of
the 20th-century context to the word "natural" contained in the text of the 1597
entry in the Probate Act Book. . Common 16th century use of the word natural in
reference to children denoted actually. begotten, as opposed to adopted,
particularly in lawful wedlock. (See Oxford English Diction ary, A New English
Dictionary on Historical Principles, Oxford University Press, 1961, "natural",
Def.III, 13 ) While this usage of the word natural is now obsolete, it's use
within the document is clear: John was the lawful issue of Ananias Dare. Who
then, was John's mother? Elinor White (Dare) was christened in May 1568,
probably within the first year of life as was the custom of the day. She was,
therefore, 19 years old at the time of the 158; voyage to Roanoke and the birth
of her daughter there. While it is possible that John Dare was her son (named
for her father John White?) given her age relative to the marriage customs of
the day nd the fact that John was left behind in England, the relationship
between John and Elinor does not seem highly probable. A previous marriage for
Ananias seems a more more likely case. Since John was still considered a minor
(under 21 years) in 1597 the earliest date possible for his birth would be
1576-77. This certainly raises many provocative questions: Who was John's
mother, wife to Ananias Dare? Obviously she had died prior to Ananias' union
with Elinor but how had her social, economic and political connections impacted
on the future Roanoke Assistant? Did Ananias inherit the property, rights and
credits within St. Bride's as her dower? Why did Ananias leave his son behind?
Did he plan to return to England for young John or was the boy to join his
father at a later date, perhaps accompanied by a would-be colonist kinsman of
Ananias. Unlike his father, John Dare's mother presumably died in England and is
therefore potentially "trackable. " It is highly likely that a systematic search
for John and his mother will turn up significant leads to Ananias Dare. The
kinship of Robert Satchfeild and John Nokes will be discussed later in detail.

Ananias Dare, Goods, Rights and Credits: Ananias apparently left something worth
going to court over since both Satchfeild and Nokes were petitioners for the
rights to administer his estate during the minority of John Dare. According to
the right hand marginal note in the PCC entry of April 1594, an inventory
existed and had been examined in conjunction with the writing of the
administration. Hoe,,ever, it appears that the inventory was a separate
document, not a part of the surviving PCC Act Book and presumably now lost. A
thorough search of tax records for St. Bride's and surrounding parishes from
1540 to 1640 might unearth information relevant to Ananias' or John's property.
No v~ill for Ananias or any other Roanoke assistants as been located in any of
the courts. It is just possible that all of these wills - and one would
certainly have to conclude that wills were written prior to leaving England,
ostensibly forever - were in the keeping of one of the assistants who remained
behind (Fullwood, Platt, or Nichols), or perhaps in the keeping of one of the
guilds. Despite the vicissitudes of time, several great fires and the Blitz,
they may still exist in some dark corner of the PRO or a long forgotten muniment
room.

Robert Satchfeild Relationship to Ananias Dare: Of the hundreds of primary
source documents studied during the course of this research, most of the Latin
vas very specific iii denoting close blood relationtionships, ie, mother,
father, sister, brother and grandparents. Since the Latin word "consanguine" is
used within both PC C entries to denote the relationship of Satchfeild in 1594
and Nokes in 1597 to Ananias Dare, the translation of kinsman or next of kin may
be correctly made. While the PCC entry clearly denotes that a blood relationship
existed or was claimed to have existed, the degree of the relationship remains
obscure from this document alone. However, other primary sources are beginning
to shed new light on the possible cousinage of Ananias Dare. For example, a
transcription and close scrutiny of the will of John Withers, Merchant Taylor
who died in London in 1589, revealed that his in-laws were "Sackfeildes", a
variant spelling of Satchfeild. William Withers, listed as a "child" member of
the 1587 Roanoke Colony, is not attached by surname to any other colonist.
Therefore, the possibility exists that young William Yaas kinsman to Ananias
Dare via the Satchfeild connection. An IGI search for Satchfeilds has been
inconclusive to date and more study needs to be done in cross-referencing names.
It was noted with some interest that the christian name "Gilbert" appeared
frequently in the IGI in both the Dare and Satchfeild line in the early and mid
17th century perhaps denoting a family "link" in preceeding generations, not
reflected in the IGI. The Dare/ Satchfeild link remains strong and viable -
there are some answers here. FIND THEM! ! !

John Nokes Relationship to Ananias Dare:

Also: Commiss Ct Lond 1550-1650 . . . . Admons: John Nokes of Precincts of
Blackfriars - grant to widow Dorothy Sept 1603 Alice Nokes dau. of John late of
parish St. Brides Feb. 1604

Also: Star Chamber, Nokes and Fortune Downes legacy.

Ananias Dare in the Grant of Arms to the City of Raleigh: When Sir Walter
Raleigh, acting under the charter granted him by the Queen on 25 March 1584,
incorporated the Governor and Assistants of the City of Raleigh in Virginia, he
procured from William Dethick, Garter Principal King of Arms a grant of arms for
his new city. Within this grant were incorporated individual grants of arms to
the colony's Governor John White and to his Asssistants, one of whom was his
son-in-lava Ananias Dare. The actual grant has disappeared but three drafts
survive - thanks to William Dethick whose custom it was to make several drafts
of his grants. Two of the surviving drafts are owned by the College of Arms in
London and one by Queen's College, oxford. Whether or not the grant was actually
made is not known but it seems highly probable that it was. Since three drafts
survive, at least that number were prepared, each more definitive than the last,
fees ,-muld have been paid and therefore, a firm intention to grant had existed.

The heraldry contained therein is ambiguous and leaves many questions
unanswered. From the College of Arms Vincent Manuscript, Volume 157, Folio 397:
' . . . . Ananyas Dare (a feelde
gules') his heires offspring and posterity forever, these Armes or Ensignes of
Honor following: Viz. a feelde gules, A cross engrailed between Four Fusils
Argent."

The fusils argent on a field gules which appear on the Governor's and all the
Assistant's arms are an unmistakable reference to the arms of Sir Walter
Raleigh. However, study of individual arms clearly depict heraldic charges not
based on the Raleigh arms. For example, the arms of Simon Fernando contain an
obvious reference to his profession of mariner, two bars wavy azure. It would
therefore seem possible that King of Arms Dethick incorporated personal and
individual charges into the arms of other Assistants, perhaps not as immediately
obvious as Fernando's, that reflects their respective trades, guilds or family
connections. The arms of George Howe, Roanoke Assistant incorporates three
wolves heads couped. The will of John Howe, Grocer of London who died in 1574,
contains a marginal sketch of his arms incorporating three almost identical
couped wolves heads. A definite link between the Grocer and the ill-fated
Roanoke Assistant has not been made as yet, but the similar Howe heraldry must
be more than coincidental.

In the case of Ananias Dare, the silver fusils and red field are an obvious
refernce to Raleigh but there are no readily discernable clues to the
Assistant's family identity or heraldic reference to his guild, the
Bricklayer-Tilers. While crosses are quite common in heraldry, only Ananias Dare
and Roger Bailey have them incorporated into their arms, a cross engrailed for
the former and a cross pattee for the latter. Also noteworthy is the fact that
the name of Dare always follows Bailey's in both the Grant of Arms and Hakluyt's
listing of Assistants. Moreover, Bailey and Dare are the two Assistant names
that always follow the name of Governor John White. Was the incorporation of a
cross for both the Bailey and Dare arms simply a matter of random choice,
coincidental personal preference, or was there some significance to the choice,
perhaps and indication of an Assistant "pecking order." The possibility of a
Dare-Bailey link is further strengthened by the occurence of the christian names
"ANANIAS" and "SACKFEILD" in the Bailey line during the first quarter of the
17th century in parishes bordering on or close to St. Bride's. (IGI)

Dare of Norfolk Arms... also Satchfeild and Nokes. EXPAND.

Continuing in Grant of Arms: " ....consitute made and appointed John White of
London, Gentleman, to be chief governor there and Roger Baily, Ananyas Dare,
Christopher Cooper William Full:aood, Roger Pratt, Dyonise Harvey, John
Nicholls, George Howe . . . . . . . . . &. . . . . . . . . . . London, Gentlemen
to be twelve assistants there. . . " It is not known with any degree of
certainty whether or not Ananias Dare was a "gentleman" in the social context of
the 16th century or given the title to lend dignity to his role as an assistant
to the governor.

Contemporary scholarship has tended to assume that A nanias was of "modest
artisan" stock simply by virtue of his trade, that of Bricklayer-Tiler. Since
the Elizabethan era was characterized by great upward social mobility, this may
well be the case. But while his "bloodlines" and true social niche remain
obscure, the PCC Administrations clearly demonstrate that Ananias Dare left an
estate of enough value that both Nokes and Satchfeild wanted its control.

CONTINUE AND EXPAND UPON:
Ananias in Hakluyt
The Will of William Bateman
Ananias "non-appearance" in BLT
Whatever else "surfaces"

Olivia A . Isil
Research Assiciate
Roanoke-Elizabethan Project


BATEMAN / ANANIAS DARE CONNECTION

Patent Rolls Vol. 5.

p. 256 (2070) 14 March 1571. A pardon for Bridget Appletree for stealing sheep
belonging to Robert Bateman Egham Surrey.

Patent Rolls Vol. 7.

p. 378 (2583) John Bateman is on a committee in Dublin Ireland for setting up a
brotherhood of merchants there. On committee with him are John and Nicholas
White.

K.36 (not sure - indentures?)

30 April 1602. Bargain and sale by John Dennan, grocer and John Hall, draper,
wardens of London. To (a long list follows) ...Edward Cage, grocer, Edward
Quarles, haberdasher, Robert Offley, haberdasher, James FOAKE, goldsmith, Robert
Bateman, grocer ....property situate in St. Ethelburga Bishopgate.


SATCHFIELD / DARE CONNECTION

STAR CHAMBER
STAC 5, L. 19, # 29
Elizabeth

ROBERT SACHVILE
JOHN MATHEW, GNT
JOHN CARPENTER
RICHARD KNIGHT son of ROBERT KNIGHT

The document is an explanation of the four named above and a request for a
supoena to bring them to trial. They are accused of forging 'a deed, breaking
and entering on the premises.

The second document in the bundle is dated 30 November 41 Elizabeth (1599) and
is a request for dismissal of charges against John Mathew, Gentleman.

BATEMAN / ANANIAS DARE CONNECTION

Patent Rolls Vol. 5.
p. 256 (2070) 14 March 1571. A pardon for Bridget Appletree for stealing sheep
belonging to Robert Bateman Egham Surrey.

Patent Rolls Vol. 7.

p. 378 (2583) John Bateman is on a committee in Dublin Ireland for setting up a brotherhood of merchants there. On committee with him are John and Nicholas White.

K.36 (not sure - indentures?)

30 April 1602. Bargain and sale by John Dennan, grocer and John Hall, draper, wardens of London. To ...Edward Cage, grocer, Edward Quarles, haberdasher, Robert Offley, haberdasher, James FOAKE, goldsmith, Robert Bateman, grocer .... property situate in St. Ethelburga Bishopgate.

(CONTINUE AND EXPAND UPON: Ananias in Hakluyt, The Will of William Bateman, Ananias "non-appearance" in BLT, Whatever else "surfaces" Olivia A . Isil, Research Assiciate, Roanoke-Elizabethan Project) OCRed record (uncorrected) from Roanoak Outer Banks History Center Library,
Manteo NC

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