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Re: Discovery of birth record of Pierre Sire of Pierre Sire and Jeanne Clemencea
Posted by: v. suzanne sears (ID *****1949) Date: June 18, 2011 at 17:49:04
In Reply to: Re: Discovery of birth record of Pierre Sire of Pierre Sire and Jeanne Clemencea by v. suzanne sears of 2246

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To save everyone time:

There are only two versions of Sire in La Rochelle related areas.

De Siri
Suire

Both of these families had members migrate to North America: but only the Suires to Canada prior to 1700

The Suires are documented from Switzerland
The De Siris from coastal southern France

Both families are found in records written as Sire
and all the other versions too.

One should not forget not either of these names were pronounced as Seer

Suire is properly SWCHEER

De Siri: is De SEERAY

Only in North America did these names sound like Seer
due to Anglo influences in the USA
and the French priests
who only could relate to St. Cyr

If one looks at records of the Cyr family going forward into the 1800s

You will notice many members still wrote it and still sounded it as SIR
and not SEER at all

especially those that never ended up in Quebec but in Gaspe etc

A good many of us Cyrs ended up as Sears via English influence as well.

The American Sears family DNA project has its share of our own Cyrs in it: under the last name Sears

especially in Maryland.

It is without much doubt
referencing 1700th century French grammar
that
Sirre was meant to be pronounced as Sirruh..or in some cases Shurah....with the H.....if exposed to more Germanic influences......and some of this sound was lost over time.

for example:

Le Sire is actually pronounced LeSheer or in North America Leisure

So is Le Siers.......its Leisure

Le Sueur became our Canadian Lozier.....

Le Seuers from Normandy who went to England became Sirres though

Sirre in Holland is Seereey in sound.

Thus the only known history of any version of our last name sounding like SEER is when it intersects with a Britannic influence

Its possible Pierre spent time in England or Holland before coming to Cda.

The pure EE sound actually cannot be identified anywhere in France at all......not a single place so far.

The only possible known way for Sirre to sound like Seer is to be somehow related to North Eastern France.










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