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Pierre DNA
Posted by: v. suzanne sears (ID *****1949) Date: December 16, 2010 at 12:48:34
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As we know for sure: Pierre was an R1b Haplotype......

Ancestrally all R1bs originated in Khazakstan......

From here there were 2 main migrations:

-one south and west into Europe
-one north to the Baltic Sea: Moscow.....

Its the northern ones Pierre belongs to.........

This northern group broke into some key versions of themselves:

-one heading into Alps and Southern Germany
-one into Finland, Russia
-one into Denmark and northwest Germany

By and large Pierres DNA identifies his ancestral group as the one that moved into Friesland and Jutland and Denmark.

At least this is where the largest concentration of his core DNA pattern in the world is currently found.

This pattern follows into England:
and is consistent with the Danish and Anglo Saxon invasions of the eastern and southern coastlines of England.

Around the year 1BC........this area contained the tribes:

Cimbri aka Danes of north
Jutes aka Danes
Teutones from the lower Elbe region of Germany
Slavs aka Vandals.......

Cimbri were Celts: mainly have 24@390
Tuetones were not; they are Halploytype I
Slavs carried type R1a not R1b
Jutes: 390=24 Celts

Its essentially these tribes that intermarried and became known as Germans of Germania.........

They werent pure Celt nor pure Slav Russian: but a mix
(which come to think of it: would make Hitler crazy if he were alive today)

Essentially they lived outside the Roman Empire which had conquered France and Belgium by then........

They lived north and east of the Rhine River........thats the ancestral home of Germans.....because they all spoke German....although the Cimbri of Denmark did still speak a form of Celt.

This pot of people formed German speaking tribes for the most part:

Angles and Jutes of Denmark: spoke German
Saxons of the lower Elbe River: Lower Saxony
Frisians: from the coastal regions and islands of Denmark, Jutland, Germany and Netherlands.

this group became known as Germans.......and is the group that Pierre belonged to from at least the year 1 AD onwards.

Therefore the argument arises: were Germans Celts as well...or were Germans something else....

The answer seems to be the word German is a language:
and a geography........and there was likely a mix of what we consider pure Celt, Slav and Teutones and Jews as well.

For our purposes we are only interested in those that carried 23@390.......so that is fairly restricted to Frisians and Saxons and some Angles.........

but not Tuetones or Slavs or Jews

About 67% of all Britains have this Germanic DNA.........of all types

About 55% of all these are R1bs

And this tracks back to Friesland.......where 33% carry Pierres signature.

When this pattern is seen in Britain:
one can easy track it back to Germanic ancestry

13 23 14 11 is a Germanic signature........
it got into Britain by invasion
and is not native to Britain

In British common terms: its called Anglo Saxon......
which refers to a German root........

In Euro terms: its simply Dutch, Frisian, German, Flemish

Going back to the time of the 1600s........populations clustered where they had been for all time .........

Thus in a search for Pierre........the coast of Flanders over to Denmark.........and a about 100 miles inland is the most obvious sensible place to search for his kin.











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