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For those of you who punch in your DNA numbers into surname data bases to find matches and are surprised when so many Southern Irish names pop up:
a bit of background to help:
Of course we cannot say Pierre was not Irish:........Irish did go from Boston to Acadia........
but assuming he is French: why all these Irish matches:
Generally you would find the DNA patterns match what we call Eoganacht clusters:....north and south Irish.....there is a lot of data on this clan........you can research if you like....
However the bottom line of it is that this tribe migrated from the Alps...........the Goidels...Q Celts.........living in France next door to northern Italy....
they migrated west........along the Med. Sea.......no later than 120BC........and made their way to Ireland and overan and dominated the existing peoples around the year 400AD or so........
Specifically this refers to the tribe more commonly known as Eubrones.....who were defeated by Cesear..
The Eubrones are modernly a Belgic tribe: and their descendents live in Belgium today.
They called themselves Goidels and claim French ancestry themselves: and a good deal of this oral tradition holds up timewise; and certainly does DNA wise......
Either way: from southern France out of the Alps or not: the Belgics certainly did invade Ireland originally......probably from those already established in Britain.......who had crossed over.
This commonality of Belgic tribal DNA origin........found both in Ireland and France..and strongly in Basque regions....as well as some other Euro regions.......
can throw a wrench into hunting for Pierre using DNA......
The overwhelming number of DNA samples in the data banks are from North Americans: of whom the vast majority trace back to British regions.........thus the huge number of DNA samples that seem Irish or English Scottish
One could absolutely believe one was indeed Irish: given the number of matches.
And of course France outlaws this kind of testing: so true French samples are nearly nil to compare with........other than dribbles from Canadians and a few Americans.
What is really at play here is ECHO.,.....tribal echo.
That Pierre has Celtic origins in the Alps is undeniable.......
but it should be remembered as well: that this core tribe drifted to a few places:
certainly Ireland
certainly Belgium
but also into Bavaria, a bit of drift into Burgundy, but also northern Germany......
If you drew a line straight up and down Europe: you could see this dna pattern strongly run from the north in Denmark to the south in Italy........and is clearly an obvious source of origin.........
It is also argued that the Cimbri from this same Alps region are the backbone of the Danish Vikings as well.....
The Alps were the spawning ground of many ethnic groups.
When looking at Irish hits to dna: it is more often this ancient tribal echo that is at play.......the Belgic tribal effect........when one has no known Irish ancestor.
The other source of this DNA is the Cambro Irish invasion and Hibernian Norman invasions: that were more recent in history....after the conquest of England by William.
The Norman Vikings were unrelenting in their attacks on Ireland..........and did settle many spots in Ireland........both pre and post conquest.
If we only take French lineages into account: Pierre is Norman French.......he tracks back to around 10 key Norman family names.
The strongest matches lead to Hugh of Avranches at this point...........
The greatest confusion is with the Counts of Flanders......
They were Spanish invaders who took control before the Vikings had arrived: and positioned their own Lords in key spots: like Evreux....
The Franks were there as well: but Normandy was really considered wasteland.........that is why it was no hardship to give it to the Vikings to make them stop raiding.
It was land no one much wanted.....
The key positions of the Franks centred more around Paris and the Somme..........with the Dukes of Anjou and Blois holding control of most of the central west.......
and the Lords of Brittany the wild north west.......
The Normans pressed on all borders:........west, south west, south, and east.
They were not successful pressing east.
They were not overly successful pressing into Brittany.
They had a fair success in pressing up to the town borders of Paris.
They had great success pressing into the south west of Alencon, Maine, Perche, Avranches.......these places.
But generally the people already living there simply had no where else to go: so they had to make peace with the Normans.
They did this through intermarriage........so it did not take very long for Breton, Aquitainian, Frankish and the Spanish Counts of Flanders and Burgundians to be mixed in nearly every lineage.
It is hard to sort them out......because they intersect so often around the year 1000AD or so.
And the question of: who was there first: who established what outpost.
In many cases the Normans simply took existing fiefs.
In other cases they set up new ones.
Basically the farther away from the coast: the more inland: the more likely it already existed........other than the wilds of western Normandy.
But even then: the Normans built these depots if you will usually where an ancient Roman spot or Abbey had been or was already......
Evreux for example existed in Roman times: then was established by the Counts of Flanders:.....then taken by Normans........and passed back and forth many times.
I mention this due to the De Sirrés who lived there.
Fiefs were traded like hockey cards..........in exchange for favours: in arguments:........
And just because a noble had control did not mean he lived there..........they often had many.
So DNA is going to be probably the only way to ever sort this all out.......
but that would take France easing off their position of no testing: and or many more French North Americans testing.
So to sum this up; Pierre indeed has some form of ancient Alps Celtic DNA...associated with the Eubrones of Ireland, the Belgics of Belgiuma and the Danes of Denmark.....
This is more useful at ruling things out than in: what he wasnt.
then you have to add in history:
There may be old Eubronic DNA in southern France:
but there were not boat loads of southern French coming to Acadia in 1670
There may be many southern Irish DNA matches
but there were not many southern Irish migrating to Acadia...only 3 we know of
There may be many Belgic DNA and Bavarian DNA matches: but again: how were Belgians getting to Acadia
There are many Norman French matches for Pierre;
but now
we have a valid pâth to Canada, USA and Acadia......
So you see; one without the other: DNA and history: does not add up..........we need both to establish a reasonable expectation of who he might be.
The only other factor that is missing: is the lack of other French samples:
because so many Normans migrated: we obtain these matches for him in northern France.
If we had many more matches in other parts of France: we might change our mind.
so far the only outside French names he matches are
Meunier from Brittany
Carriere from Saintonge: who have a Norman heritage.
Again: we are limited by French policy of no testing.
The only thing we are 100% sure of : is that Pierre is a Celt........whose ancestors were at one time in the Alps.
........and that those ancestors spread both into Iberia and Ireland..........and into Belgium, Bavaria, and northern Germany, Denmark and Scandinavia.
I should add as a footnote: the significant number of Swedish matches that are also starting to show up for him.
This simply adds to the evidence that if Pierre is French: he has a strong chance of being Norman French; via the Vikings.........
Actually if you leave the southern Belgic Eubrone Irish out altogether: and just plot pins where he has hits elsewhere: the vast majority cluster from southern Germany and Belgium over to Czech lands and up into Denmark and Scandinavia.
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