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As we know Pierre is an excellent DNA match to these Norman names: with Suhart and Suhard definitely being one and the same: and Sirart most probably as well:
The challenge has been to find a family of origin for them:
We knew they were De Ryes from the Cotentin:........but it was speculation beyond that:
A new notation says that the Barons de Vexoin were hereditary holders of the Rye lands since at least
Ralph Sire de Venoix 1035Ad of Caen
This exact family consistently used the last name Sire in Normandy...........but lost it early on after the conquest in England in which they participated
In Normandy their role seems to be Mareschel: or keeper of the horses
So most often we see them listed as simply Sire le Mareschel
Other names were:
De Hastings
and in England
Marshal
Giffard
these people indeed received lands in all the regions where we find both Pierres core DNA profile and the name Sire, Syre, Seyer, Surr, etc.
A quick peek at Marshall DNA shows as usual a broad range of halplotypes:
However the base of 13 24 14 11 does exist.....and the later markers indicate it is a not bad match to Pierre:
Certainly not THE match........but not inconsistent either
Pierre hits on a lot of common English names: like Wood, etc
It is nearly impossible to track such names to their source......with the huge mix of Irish, Scottish, German and English versions of them.
So when an odd surname pops up as a potential match: it is invaluable.
Out of about 75,000 or so DNA profiles in the key data banks:.....Pierres first 12 numbers hit perfectly with about 104.....
104 out of 75,000 is not a large percentage.....
Given that the vast majority of these profiles are British in origin:........being overly represented in testing.....
we have to see a hint that Pierre probably was not British in origin........at least on a very ancient level.....
I include Ireland, Scotland etc.....in this comment
Ireland is a really strong source of his type of core DNA......but then
that is not so odd at all: regardless of where he comes from
His basic profile is consistent with Basque as well.......
But Basques travel backwards in time, most historians agree, to the Alps......and the core tribes.
These tribes in the Alps, went south and over into Iberia and most say up to Southern Ireland.......
and on the flip side: equally went north: to become Bavarians, and probably some portion of Danes.
they also spilled into Belgium and a few pockets of Burgundy.
So there is an echo effect of his exact 12 marker DNA
We are as likely to find it in Italy, Iberia, Ireland and Germany as anywhere else.
In fact I do have a few Italian hits: the odd Spanish hit: many more Germanic and Belgic hits...one in Namur...and even a Swedish hit
This is fairly consistent with Suevi and related tribes and their travels around the globe.
That background of ancient tribal echo of DNA was at first confusing: now manageable.......like matching the Sheas of Ireland.......
Essentially, if the DNA profile is not one consistent with being able to easily get to Acadia in 1670: I simply have left it out....
There is little point in chasing say Italian similar profiles:........
But if we stay with Pierre is French:
he has next to zero hits with actual French families
The Pontbriands of Brittany being his closest match at 12 out of 12
(I am not considering Normans to be ancient French)
Other than that: tracking back to mainland France: every single hit: over and over again is Norman Viking in origin.
And the deeper one tracks these matching surnames: the more they lead to LeHavre........very very old.
I can demonstrate Pierres DNA is a strong match to the
Suhards
De la Hayes
Vernons
Venables
Fecamps
Criels
So there is little doubt a pocket of his DNA profile was established in that general region.
Tracking it to Sirre is more problematic.
French Norman DNA:........using an Anglo Germanic spelling....
On the face of it: it certainly does suggest Huguenot family that left France......
The only other place such a thing exists is indeed Belgium:.....with its mix of French and Germanic cultures
Sirre does show up in Paris as a spelling of the 1800s....but where it came from is another thing I dont know
Where was this spelling in 1670 is the key issue:
it was in London England
it was in Belgium
it was in Picardy: on a tiny level
as far as I know it was not yet in Ireland......but shortly after
In Picardy: it was certainly linked to the LeSueurs.......but we have no DNA profile for this group
We do have English Sire DNA:.......but only one or two so far even have the same 13 24 14 10 profile.......
and of the one that is closest: it really is most probably a Flanders profile........
We dont have any Belgic Sirre DNA yet either.....
It will be DNA that solves this mystery:........but it may well take years to accumulate enough profiles for a positive match.
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