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CRF/Cyr/Sire question
Posted by: v. suzanne sears (ID *****1949) Date: October 25, 2008 at 18:36:29
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One lineage of Sire's in Montbeliard is listed at least back to 1390 in Val Morteau.

Val Morteau/Renaudumont until 1100 approx had no one living there as a village or settlement. It was founded by a dozen or so Cluny monks from the Champange region who got the land cleared and then moved in 5 families to settle.

Who these families were: I have not found yet.

The Sire's show up by and before 1390 as being established there.

(The ancestral names here are nearly identical to the same root ancestors of Belgium Le Sire's but no actual proof yet as dates don't quite add up)

Now interestingly the Black Book of 1490 records 5 Sire families.

(The families of these seigneurs were essentially slaves: indentured and unable to leave: until 1600 when all the folks were declared "paid" and freed. Until then leaving was by permission only. Daughters had to marry local boys only or the families were fined heavily.

Weaving was the prime industry of most along with farming.

In fact a good portion of the book Les Miserables was actually a reflection of the lives of the people of Montbeliard with even at least one town name mentioned in it.

Their lives were pretty: well, if not miserable: designed to never lift them above their station. By 1632 war was expected (and apparently a record made of all arms worthy men but I have not found it yet) and indeed they were raided by Swedish mercenaries: nearly 2/3 were slaughtered. Then in 1639 area the plaque knocks off more.

Records make mention of how not a single person could write prior to the end of the war or around 1640ish

From this environment a few years later up pops in Acadia this young educated tradesman with an iron forgery background?........odd if true.......

This was one lousy life during the first half of the 1600's.

It is hard to reconcile these enslaved Sire's with the nobility of the Belgian Sire's and their wealth.........

so names matching aside: it looks like a wrong fit......

Anyway: back to the Black Book

What I found confusing is that it said the name was first spelled CFR......at least that is how it pops up with automated translation systems...which made no sense.

Now once again, I see this same CFR in other 21th century translations.......supposedly being equal to Sire.......

Can anyone explain this? Is this just a quirk of a translation program?

P.S. I still can't find a shred of proof that Pierre had any connection to Blamont at all.
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The whole Pierre Dit Miquelon thing does not yet make any sense: until I hear from someone of that lineage anyway.

So, I punched in Sire and Miquelon into a European genealogy site.

Up pops a posting of a Serre/Miquelon marriage in the Cote D'Azure region...........along with a ton of Miquelon's and Serres........not married to each other.


Then I see Americans 1800's who go by Miquelon but who list their children some as Cyr's and some as Miquelon's.....why would that be?

Is this Miquelon thing one of those combination names the French did so often? Like Sire Coulon? Where the name of the wife and the husband are often interchangeable or combined?

Or is Miquelon a true nickname? that really did not mean much? Like Croq? (which French dictionaries say means Fang!)

Or is the dit name attached to Pierre a signal that he was attached to the military as they were all required to have and use a dit name? but it often had some real connection to the person: like where they were from.......???? or hints of their true family origins/names.

(For example the Deshaies were actually St. Cyr's and the Duplessis were actually Sirois)

or perhaps that his parents were connected to the Miquelon family in France? mother or father?

The Sire's of Cote d'Azure and regions I have not explored much other than tracking the Blamont crowd moving south near those regions by the mid 1700's: the wedding records reveal at least that the sons of Daniel, son of Henri Sire Coulon, were leaving the region for the southern coast. They show the brothers and cousins standing up for each other at weddings removed from Blamont......going south.

Anyone know the answer to the dit Miquelon story?





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