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Hi Frances,
I am researching my Crowley ancestors and would love to share in any information you can help with.
My great great grandfather was John Albert Crowley son of Timothy Crowley and Margaret (Murphy) Crowley.
He was born in 1824 and died in Australia in 1899. It states on his death certificate that he was born in Toorinadrummond. I don't know if there were any siblings. It would be great if there were and I actually had relations in Ireland!
Apparently Toorinadrummond doesn't exist any more.
I am on myspace and a friend in Ireland looked this up for me and this is the result.
Kilkenny though is not in county Cork it is a county more North that goes by its own name just below Dublin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilkenny
http://snap.waterfordcoco.ie/collections/ebooks/106325/10632
5.pdf
when you can open the above link, which is a published book also, you can press "ctrl F" and type the name "Toorin" (just Toorin) maybe you'll find even more in the gathered information on here! :wink:
just a brief describtion of what could be your great grandfathers homeland:
Lismore and Mocollop Parish
THIS is historically and, as regards extent and picturesqueness, the most important parish in the Decies territory. It is of immense size-thirteen or fourteen miles in length by twelve miles in width. At what particular period the two parishes became merged into one it is now impossible to decide. The amalgamation was probably early; at any rate the original dividing line is now, and has been for a long time forgotten. Included in the parish is a wide area of mountain, of which a considerable proportion has been brought into cultivation within the last hundred years. In the Diary and Correspondence of the Great Earl of Cork is more than one allusion to hunting of the wild deer and the wolf along these hills three hundred years ago. Knockmaeldown, the loftiest elevation, is 2,609 feet above sea level; another peak - Knocknarea - is 2,149 feet. Something more than ninety years since, a series of evictions, carried out under circumstances of peculiar hardship, deprived hundreds of poor people of their homes on the lower slopes. Forced back on the inhospitable heath and mountain, the evicted and their descendants have since wrung a living from the grudging soil. Julia Crotty, herself a native of Lismore, must have had this clearance before her mind when describing the eviction campaign in her novel- “Neighbours.”
As may be expected from the character of the region, mountain names are well represented. They are, however, hardly as numerous as might ordinarily be counted on; the explanation is the comparatively recent occupation of' the higher lands. Many names of historical and ecclesiastical interest occur in the plain and along the river banks, and a few even in the mountain district.
23 “Life and Letters of the Great Earl of Cork” – Townshend, p.76
The River Blackwater flows east and west through the parish for some fourteen or fifteen miles. Another river, the Bride, forms its southern frontier; a third, the Glenshilane, marks the parish limits on the east, while the Araglinn suns some six or seven miles along the boundary with Tipperary. The remainder of the north boundary line is marked by the ridge of the Knockmaeldown (anciently the Slieve Gua) range. Through the parish flows yet another stream, the Owenashad, which discharges into the Blackwater at Lismore Bridge.
A general outline of its history will serve to make clear the singular place of this parish in such a work as the present. St, Carthage, or Mochuda, expelled from Rahan, founded his monastery here in the 7th century - on the site, probably, of a still earlier establishment. The monastery soon grew to be a great school, to which students and religious came from all parts of Ireland, and some from beyond the seas. Its bishops, abbots, anchorites and teachers are referred to over and over again in the Irish annals. It was frequently visited by the Northmen intent on plunder. On the other hand, it received many and generous gifts of lands and churches from neighbouring princes. Before the 12th century it had extended its spiritual sway over the Northern Decies, and practically over the present County of Waterford. The Castle of Lismore, originally episcopal, passed, on the dissolution or shortly after, to Sir Walter Raleigh, and from him-through ways that are not above suspicion - to the Great Earl of Cork, by whose descendants it is still held. Some portions of the ancient ecclesiastical residence survive, incorporated in the later stronghold. The castle saw many a scene of war and revelry. It was several times besieged by the Confederates during the four years succeeding 1641, and was taken finally by Lord Castlehaven. It is stated that James II spent a night or more in the Castle sometime in 1689. On looking through one of the windows overlooking the Blackwater he started back affrighted at the fearful depth below him.
Some reference is due to a remarkable earthwork which extends for miles through the parish, and furnishes many place names along its course. This is the legend-laden Rian Bó Phádraig, or “Track of St. Patrick’s Cow.” The Rian may be identified as the ancient ecclesiastical roadway from Cashel to Lismore and thence to Ardmore. Less than a century and a half ago the “track” was physically traceable over many miles of primeval heath and peat as a double-banked trench. Owing to the advance of cultivation the track now survives only in patches, but tradition preserves an accurate account of almost every yard of the obliterated course24. Smith (“History of Waterford”) alludes to a second earthwork, which he calls the “Clee Duv”(Claí Dubh) and describes as running east and west, parallel with the Blackwater, along the lower slope of the hills. No trace or memory of this fence survives. It may have marked the boundary between the arable and the mountain, or commonage, lands. For some account of the ecclesiastical remains of Lismore Parish see Waterford Archaeological Journal, Vol. IV, pp. 216, &c.
TOOR, Tuar, - “Cattle Night-Field.” Area, 209 acres.
TOORADOO, Na Tuartha Dubha – “The Black Cattle-Night-Fields.” Area, 124 acres.
TOORANARAHEEN; O’Donovan writes it Tuartha na Ráithín – “Cattle Night-Fields of the Little Earthen Forts.” The writer, however, hesitates to accept the derivation, as he has uniformly heard the
name pronounced – Tuar an Fharchainn. Area, 955 acres.
TOORIN, Tuairín – “Little Cattle-Night Field.” Area (in two divisions), 540 acres.
“Towrine” (A.S.E.). S.DD. (a) “Tourin Island”; now a mere mud bank.
(b) An Druimín – “The Little Ridge”; a hillock, now planted, rising out of a marsh. (c) Casaunnaneav (O.M.), Casán na Naomh – “Path of the Saints”; the continuation, through the River
Ford, of the ancient highway (E. and W.) to Lismore.
TOORNAGEEHA, Tuar na Gaoithe –“Windy Cattle-Night Field.” Area, 173 Acres. S.DD. (a) An Feadán Garbh – “The Rough Streamlet”; applied to the glen through which the streamlet
flows.
(b) Barra na Foidhreach – “Summit of the Bramble-Over-Grown and Natural Trench.” TUARNAGOPPOGE, Tuar na gCopóg – “Cattle-Night-Field of the Docks (Rumex Obtusifolius).” Area, 86 acres.
What this might actualy mean is that the village your ancestors were comming from does not excist anymore. There has been a lot of emigration over the last 200 years, especialy the first half of the 20th century and some places and their traditions just died. Maybe the placename is not in use anymore, it's best to start looking for small rivers and hilltops. I do think Toorindrummond was a legal name at the time, if so that it used to be in county Cork indeed one should expect at least a streem by that name! lol
However, the frustrating part is that I can't get back any further! Surely there would have been marriage and birth certificates or religious ones like Baptism and Communion. So frustrating.
Any suggestions?
Kind regards,
Loretta
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