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I wanted all the Craver researchers to know that my husband, Lindsey Craver Kalal, Craver by birth, participated in the Graber/Craver Family Tree DNA surname project. Men's Y-DNA remains basically unchanged generation after generation. So his line, going backwards, is his father was Otis Craver, whose father was Azzie Elisha, then David Lindsey, then Jacob, then Lewis, then Michael, then Philip Craver, b. around 1740. who came down to North Carolina from Pennsylvania. His father was Andreas Graber. Andreas Graber had two other sons, Ulrich and Andreas. Now Lindsey has had one perfect Y-DNA match,24 for 24, a man who descended from one of the other two sons of Andreas Graber. I think this is pretty exciting. They have the exact same Y-DNA. It would interesting if more people participated in the project.