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Sir John de Coupland, et. al.
Posted by: pj Date: December 19, 1999 at 04:55:13
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I was absolutely deluged with queries, and
my e-mail was absolutely so backed up it took me all this time just to clean it out. I had
no idea people were so lost on the Copelands.

I just got finished reading all your responses and here are a few quotes and book names to start checking out that might can help you.

Those Copelands who come from Nicholas of Isle of Wight, I am from the same line.

First I want to address Sir John de Coupeland. This is from some of D. Graham Copeland's work to which many do not subscribe, but I must tell you, I tend to believe D. Graham in many areas of his research. I followed a lot of leads I got from his writings.

The oldest record thus far found of a Copeland is a Sampson de Coupeland who affixed his name to a deed in Northumbria.
A few years later this was followed by a Robert de Coupeland in 1256.

John de Coupland at the Battle of Neville's
Cross in 1346 of course captured David Bruce.
In "History of Yorkshire", in a genealogy of Copelands from Ulfkill in the reign of Henry I (1068-1135) to Elizabeth (1558-1603), it is noted that Sir John was murdered by Lord Clifford August 38 Ed. III, this being the equivalent of 1365. Kuyghton's Chronicles does place the murder as 1362. There is a letter dated Spetember 2, 1368 from John, Archbishop of York giving permission for the exhumation of the body of Sir John de Coupeland for its transfer to the Conventual Church of Kirkham for burial there in compliance with the desire of his widow, Joan.

By-the-way, I have, myself, spoken with the Lord Bishop of Durham, England, and they still celebrate the Battle of Neville's Cross and have a workshop about Sir John each year.

For you Northern Copelands, you can find much of your history through the writings of William Copeland Clark of Lewiston, Maine in his "Ancestors of My Children" published in 1906.

For you Copelands who descend from Nicholas, please do some research on your Taberer, Woodley, Applewhaite, Goddard, etc. lines.
I have found almost as much information about the Copelands there as I have anywhere. Thomas Taberer's will mentions a grandson by the name of William Webb, son of Mary Copeland Webb, proving a connection between the Copelands and the Webbs in England prior to their emigration to America This in conjunction with the reference from "The William and Mary College Quarterly" (vol. 7, page 212) pretty much establishes a connection between the Virginia and Maryland Copelands. I am currently working with a cousin who happens to be in circles with Barbados royalty and hopefully we will be able to turn over a few more rocks in Barbados.

My personal observation, not that it matters,
is that most Copelands do come from the same lines. I do feel for you folks down in Georgia and Alabama with the loss of so many records. Some of that work is very subjective. If you have records in SC you just need to start looking at the newspapers there......much, much is in those old newspapers. For you in AL and GA, I will put what I do know about those Copelands in a format I can send you.....please give me a few days.

For anyone who doesn't have the old crest of the Copelands (the Catholic one), please let me know and I'll scan it and put it up.

I apologize to those of you who have asked me questions I haven't answered yet. Again, I just really had no idea that so many were so lost.

I have received a few queries from some who aren't even doing the basic work. Some have just gotten on-line hoping to find someone who has done the work. My word is tsk tsk....go to the library. Please don't lose the historical facts about the family that make genealogy so rewarding.

For any of you who cannot locate D. Graham's book "Many Years After", you can get a copy of it on microfilm from the Univ. of South Carolina. I think they're charging about $20. And for those of you who want to
dispute D. Graham's work, I do understand there are some errors which is why I have taken that very book and retraced his steps.
I would recommend the book for those of you
looking for information about the Southern Copelands.

I saw a response from a person in OR and I apologize I can't remember your name right off, but go look in the county clerk's office and at tax records and start getting a feel for your family. Look at Church records.
There has GOT to be more information than you are seeing.

I will get a website up on the information I have asap.

There IS a probable close connection between the Massachusetts and Virginia Copelands but it has never been proved. I still think that can be done but I am beginning to think a master tree list will have to be started. Too many Copelands with too many pieces of the puzzle.


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