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Re: Andrew Collins b.1740- North Carolina
Posted by: Cecilia Fabos-Becker (ID *****0534) Date: November 21, 2005 at 02:00:01
In Reply to: Re: Andrew Collins b.1740- North Carolina by Margaret Lee of 16341

I believe my ancestor was an Andrew Collins, who according to census and other records was born in 1760 or immediately before that and married Isabel Hastings, 26 Feb 1784 in Orange County, NC. He had the following possible/probable brothers and sisters: Eli Collins who married Mary Durbin 30 Aug 1781 in Orange County; Jean Collins who married John Elliott 9 Aug 1784 in Orange County; John Collins who married Mary (Polly) Jackson 21 Jul 1797 in Orange County; Elizabeth (Betsy)Collins who married Daniel Wilkinson 11 Aug 1800 in Orange County, NC.

"My" Andrew Collins had a son named Bradley Collins b. 1787, Orange Co., NC. I'm looking for Bradley's first wife whom he married about 1808/9, possibly to probably a Keziah Ray maybe the daughter of Robert Ray (and his second wife Hannah ___ Massey--she was also married 2x) and cousin sister of David Ray. A Keziah Ray was in Robert Ray's will as his youngest daughter by his second wife, and just a few years old in Feb. 1793 when Robert Ray's will was made. In May 1808, the will of David Ray "Sr." was proved. His legatees were, wife unnamed: children: William (eldest son), John David "Jr.," Hugh, James, Henry; dau's-- Rachel (md. Gibson); Mary (md. Becon/Beason); Jenny (md. Jones); Nelly (md. Ricketts). Then his "youngest son and child, Alexander" was mentioned.

Bradley Collins named his first son, Andrew, b. 1810, KY. Other children were Keziah b. 1809; Sarah b. 1811/12 then John b. 1821 and Hiram b.1824 and William b. 1830. I believe there was another son named James born between John and Hiram. There was also a daughter, Mary. In the 1830 and 1840 (Clay Co. KY then Chariton Co., MO) census it is clear that by the early 1830's, Bradley had 5 sons and 7 daughters by his multiple wives (married 5 times). I do not know all the names of his children. All but one were by his first or second wives. In 1813/4 Bradley was back in NC serving in the War of 1812 from Orange County, NC. Then in 1817, the year after "the year without a summer" characterized by extremed cold and drought in Kentucky--and on the heels of the first cholera epidemic following the start of the drought in 1815. he returned again to NC and married as his second wife, Jane Ray in 1817. Then he left again. He had a nephew also named Bradley Collins who came of age in the 1820's and stayed in North Carolina longer.

There was also another Bradley Collins born possibly in the late 1780's or 1792, who was a mulatto-Indian "free person of color" who was in Floyd County at the same time my Bradley was in Clay County, Kentucky which has caused researchers considerable confusion. My Bradley was never listed as Indian, or a "free person of color" as this other one was. Additionally, we know that my Bradley was born in North Carolina but it is not certain where the other one was born, but probably Montgomery County, Virginia, where at least two others with the same surname and close in age were at one point.

My Bradley's son, Andrew named his own first born Lewis H. Collins. I suspect the "H" is for Hastings. I believe Bradley had a slightly younger brother also named Andrew Collins who married Nelly Weeks 25, Sep 1810 in Orange County. In 1785 an older Lewis Collins died in Granville County, NC where his will was proved. In his will he named: wife, Elizabeth; children Louise Gaden; Betsy Robinson (in Virginia at the time); Edward Collins; Lewis Collins (Jr.), Wiley Collins and Diannah Carter Collins.

A fairly young man of maybe 30, a James Collins died in Chatham County, NC in January, 1791 (his will was written 6 Jan 1791) and left a wife, Sarah and under-age children: Mary and James (Jr.). James would have been born about 1760.

Additional records to help sort out this line: Orange County wills: James Collins proved May, 1763 wife Elizabeth and sons James (Jr.--oldest) and John. John Collins (young--and not the John above) will proved Nov. 1762 "all my mother left to me to go to my brother William and my sister Catherine, wife of Enos Ellmore." Enoch Bradley's will proved Nov. 1800 mentioned sister Elizabeth (Bradley) Collins' children: John, Catherine, Enoch, Mary, Brice, Elizabeth, Jane, Joseph (Jr.?) and Margaret. Elizabeth may have been married to a Joseph Collins, herself.

Ok, that being said, a John Collins arrived early in North Carolina. So did a Lewis Collins and a James Collins. Lewis and James were brothers; both sons of Joseph Collins Jr. and Susannah Lewis of Spotsylvania Co., VA. Descendants lived in several counties around Orange and Wake Counties. A small group of Collins males married in Wake County within 20 years of one another. The earliest marriage was Hardy Collins to Nelly Perry 13 Oct 1799. This was followed by Branch Collins to Nancy Pate 26 Dec 1812; Gideon Collins to Lucy Lilly 4 Jan 1819; and Cader (possibly originally "Calder") Collins to Mary Guin 6 Nov 1821.

I hope this helps some of the Collins-North Carolina researchers and that maybe someone else has something for which I'm still looking.

I need is someone to come up with a will and other data for my likely Andrew Collins who married Isabel Hastings, and lived in Orange County, NC. I'd like to be able to change "Andrew Collins is probably the father of Bradley Collins b. 1787" to "certainly the father." I'd also love to find (or have someone write to me and tell me of the existence of) a will or other records--such as a land deed gift--of a John Collins (probably again) that names a son Andrew who was b. about 1760, to indicate who Andrew's father "certainly" was.

Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker, San Jose, CA
e-mail: or celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobalnet.

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