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Re: Home children Martha Jane and Louisa Cheshire
Posted by: kathrynb (ID *****3447) Date: October 16, 2006 at 13:41:03
In Reply to: Home children Martha Jane and Louisa Cheshire by Linda Rollitt of 705

Hi Linda! My mother's mother's sister's husband was a Barnardo boy in Canada, so I've looked around a bit and have some links you may have seen already.

(My Uncle Charlie apparently always said that Charlie Smith was the orphan name he was assigned, and I have just recently discovered this was not true -- in the record of his marriage to my Aunt Jessie, which I found at Ancestry, he states his parents'names, and I've since found him and them, and some ancestors, in the English censuses!)

Search the database of Home Children at the Cdn govt site:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020110_e.html
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/02011003_e.html

Here are your Cheshires in the search results for "Cheshire":

7        CHESHIRE        Louisa        13        F        SS Tunisian        1901
8        CHESHIRE        Martha T        15        F        SS Tunisian        1901

The detailed results are:

CHESHIRE , Louisa

Age:        13
Sex:        F
Year of arrival:        1901
Microfilm reel:        T-480
Ship:        SS Tunisian
Port of departure:        Liverpool
Departure Date:        19 Sep 1901
Port of arrival:        Quebec
Arrival Date:        27 Sep 1901
Party:        Dr. Barnardo's
Destination:        Peterborough, Ont.
Comments:        Group of 105 girls from Dr.Barnardo's. .
Reference:        RG76 C 1 a

CHESHIRE , Martha T

Age:        15
Sex:        F
Year of arrival:        1901
Microfilm reel:        T-480
Ship:        SS Tunisian
Port of departure:        Liverpool
Departure Date:        19 Sep 1901
Port of arrival:        Quebec
Arrival Date:        27 Sep 1901
Party:        Dr. Barnardo's
Destination:        Peterborough, Ont.
Comments:        Group of 105 girls from Dr.Barnardo's. .
Reference:        RG76 C 1 a


Howzat?? Well, you probably knew all that already.

On a quick search, I don't see either of them in the Canadian BMDs or censuses (1901, 1906, 1911) at Ancestry.ca. The censuses there are so horrifically mistranscribed, though, that this doesn't necessarily mean anything. I would suspect that having missed the 1901 census, they were not in the 1906 census (northern and western part of the country only) and were married by the 1911 census.

Do you happen to know their actual birth dates? In the 1911 Cdn census, people reported their full DOBs -- dd/mm/yy; and the database at Ancestry can be searched by mm/yy of birth, and the image checked to see the full date.

There are several married Louisas and Marthas (including Martha Js) born in England at around the right time in the Peterborough vicinity and elsewhere in 1911, but without knowing their DOB and/or married surname, they couldn't be identified. The Cdn censuses specify birthplace of "England" only, not English counties.

Silly me, I was forgetting. The 1911 census can be searched by year of immigration too. Here's one possibility:

Martha Bertrand born October 1887 in England, married to Arthur, immigrated 1901, living in Northumberland East, with two children and Arthur's mother. ... But no, there is a marriage record for an Arthur Bertrand and a Martha Jane Gill who fit that bill too closely.

There are no Cheshires matching their details in the 1911 census, but "Cheshire" could be so mangled in the transcription that one would never find it. (The original documents for the Cdn censuses are themselves appalling, in terms of clarity of handwriting, and the transcription shows very little effort to decipher it.)

I've taken a shot at the marriage records, including searching by first name, YOB and mother's given name (in case of mistranscriptions of surname, which are also common in the BMD database), but no joy.

If you do have more details that I could use to try to find them getting married or in the census, let me know!

Birth records are only available up to 1907 (privacy laws) and there are no births recorded to that date where the mother was Louisa or Martha Cheshire.

There is one with mother Louisa Chesher -- in 1903, perhaps a little early. And I can't find that couple -- husband Wilson Irwin -- in the 1911 census on a quick check.


Meanwhile, browse around from that Home Children link and you may find something useful. There's also the British Isles Family History Society which places particular emphasis on Home Children:

http://www.bifhsgo.ca/home_children.htm


Try going to www.google.ca and checking off "pages from Canada" and searching for "home children" (in quotation marks). There are quite a few resources in the results.


Now me, I'm here because I'm wanting to find descendants of John Rogers Cheshire born abt 1843 in Swansea, who married Mary Emma Hill born abot 1843 in Jersey (except I can't find any marriage) and had about eight surviving Cheshire children in Lancashire and Cheshire in the 1860s and 1870s -- all of whom would be first cousins of my grandfather, and one of whom, somewhere, might know something about Emma's parents and why my grandfather and his other sister decided to change their name to Monck ...

I'll trade you! I've never yet met anyone who knows a single thing about my Hill/Moncks, but ya never know. ;)




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