Posted By:Leanne Wiese
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Subject:Re: Macoupin Co.,Il. Wiese/WeiseLo
Post Date:August 13, 2000 at 12:32:11
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Hi Libby!
I'm very excited about reading your post as the story of William Wiese falling into the well is know to our family. Seems that is about the only piece of info we knew about this William. We did believe that another brother also fell into a well on a separate occassion, but I can see that the story might have gotten confused over time to be two brothers rather than a father and son falling into the well. I recall my husband's father saying that his Uncle, William, was helping a neighbor dig a well when he accidentally fell in. The other well accident he wasn't clear about. Do you know the birthdate of your William? I have William b. 1871. I will paste a descendant report for Christian Wiese, the father of the William that I have to the bottom of this E-mail. I do hope it is a match. Please e-mail me with the info you have too.
Sincerely,
Leanne Wiese

Descendants of Christian "Christ" Wiese
Generation No. 1

1. CHRISTIAN "CHRIST"2 WIESE (WILHELM/WILLIAM1) was born September 1842 in Prussia, Germany, and died Unknown in MO. He married WILHEMINE "SOPHIA" MARIE LEWEDAG March 06, 1875 in Saint Louis, St. Louis Co., Missouri, daughter of ERNST LEWEDAG and SOPHIA HOECKER. She was born September 17, 1851 in Herford, Germany, and died 1936 in Missouri, U.S.A..

Notes for CHRISTIAN "CHRIST" WIESE:
Two of his male children died through falling into a well or a hole in the ground. (on separate occasions). Christian ran a bakery shop in St. Louis. Verona says Wiese family from Baden Germany. (Lower Germany) She also says Christian was raised in IL.

Christian WIESE Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Wilhelmine Marie L. LEWEDAG Marriage: 6 Mar 1875 Saint Louis, St Louis, Missouri
From Clinton Co, IL US GenWeb pages:
Breeze 1892 Property Owners
Clinton County Illinois
T2N R4W of Third Principal Meridian Codes:
C-Church; Ce-Cemetery; D-Depot; F-Castor Oil Factory; H-House; K-Kaskaskia River; L-Lake; M-Mill; O-Shop; P-Pond; R-Railroad; S-School; Sp-Spring; Sw-Swamp; T-Town Hall; V-Levee; W-Warehouse
Each standard Section is one square mile, Township is 36 square miles
Listed Alphabetically
(Column Headings)

Ellwood Cemetary, Breeze Illinois
WIESE, Theo Phil b. 4-20-1909 d. 7-19-1909
WIESE, ______bd. 6-21-1910 d/o Wm. & Minnie
WIESE, Heinrich Conrad b. 2-8-1881 d. 2-11-1881



Breeze Cemetary Listings for United Church of Christ:
Wiese, William Sr., 18 Feb. 1837-28 Dec 1924 Father
Wiese, William Jr., 27 May 1873- 19 Feb 1921 In memory of
Wiese, Charles W., 1 Feb 1882-16 May 1966


1860 Census Clinton Co., IL
#353
William Wiese, 52, farmer, real estate $2500; personal $600 b. Germany
Christine Wiese, 51, b. Germany
William Wiese II, 24, b. Germany
Christine Wiese 21, b. Germany
Christian Wiese, 17, b. Germany
Henry Wiese, 14, b. Germany
Caroline Wiese, 9, b. Germany

St. Louis Bakeries 1859-1910
1874-1876 Christian Wiese, 202 S. 20th
1877-1880 Christian Wiese, 2704 Chouteau 1877-1880

1880 Census St. Louis, Missouri (Age at last birthday prior to June 1, 1880) Vol. 41, ED 375, Sheet 19, page 9 (Have printout) Listed in census twice.
Address: 2700 Chouteau Ave.
Christian (Christ) Wiese, 38, Baker, b. Prussia, Parents b. Prussia
Sophia, 29, (W,) Housekeeper, b. Prussia, Parents b. Prussia
Rudolph, 11, (NR), at school, b. IL
William (Willie) (S), 9, at school, b. IL
Louisa (Elisa) (D),6, (measles), b. MO
Christian (S), 2, b. MO
Albert (Charles)(S), 2 mo., b. MO

St. Louis Bakeries, 1859-1910
1890-1891 Christian Wiese, 3512 Manchester

1892 C. Wiese listed as property owner in Breeze Twp., Clinton Co, IL

Wheatfield, Clinton County 1892 property ownwers:
19 WIESE, William H 160 182

1900 Census Clinton Co, Illinois, Breeze Twp.
Christ Wiese, b. Sept. 1842, 49 yrs. in USA, married 32 years, b. Germany, arriv. U.S. 1851
Sophia, b. Sept. 1851, Had 11 children, 6 living, b. Germany, arriv. U.S. 1864
Christian, b. Mar. 1879, b. MO
Charles, b. Apr. 1880, b. MO
Herbert, b. Feb. 1883, b. IL
Rona, b. Sep 1887, b. IL

1900 Census Record of Wheatfield Twp, Clinton Co, IL
Wheatfied Twp, Household #28-28
Wiese, William, Head, b. Feb 1837, Widower, Ger arrived US 1864
", William C., (S), b. May 1874, Single, b. IL
", Louisa, (D), b. March 1877, Single, b. IL
", Charles, (S), b. Jan 1882, Single, b. IL
", Amil, (S), b. Dec. 1884, Single, b. IL
", Frederick, (S), b. Jun 1887, Single, b. IL
", Harry, (S), June 1890, Single, b. IL

1910 Census MO
Sophia Wiese, 58, b. Germany
Carl, 30, b. MO
Herbert, 27, b. IL




More About CHRISTIAN "CHRIST" WIESE:
Fact 6: Came to work for Heinrich Lewedag as a baker according to Verona Chapman tape.
Fact 7: Verona tape indicated he was from WiesBaden along a river.
Fact 8: arrived U. S. A. 1851 Age 8
Fact 9: Address in 1880: 2704 Chouteau Ave. St. Louis, MO.
Fact 10: Raised in St. Louis, MO

Notes for WILHEMINE "SOPHIA" MARIE LEWEDAG:
Christened Oct 12 1851 Sankt Petri Evangelisch, Herford, Westfalen, Preussen.
Spent last 10 years of her life living with Verona and Charlie Chapman in Steelville, MO.
Wilhelmine Marie L. LEWEDAG Sex: F Marriage(s):Spouse: Christian WIESE Marriage: 6 Mar 1875 Saint Louis, St Louis, Missouri
Arrived in U.S. in 1864.

More About WILHEMINE "SOPHIA" MARIE LEWEDAG:
Fact 6: Came to U.S. when 13 years old according to Verona Wiese Chapman tape.
Fact 7: Arrived U.S.A. 1864 a/c to 1900 census record.

More About CHRISTIAN WIESE and WILHEMINE LEWEDAG:
Marriage: March 06, 1875, Saint Louis, St. Louis Co., Missouri
       
Children of CHRISTIAN WIESE and WILHEMINE LEWEDAG are:
2.       i.       RUDOLPH3 WIESE, b. 1869, IL; d. Unknown, Uknown.
       ii.       WILLIAM "WILLIE" WIESE, b. 1871, IL; d. Unknown, Uknown.

Notes for WILLIAM "WILLIE" WIESE:
There is an obituary in the 1925 Clinton County Illinois Historical Society Quarterly for a William Wiese.

       iii.       LOUISA "ELISE" WIESE, b. 1874, St. Louis, MO, U.S.A.; d. Unknown.

More About LOUISA "ELISE" WIESE:
Cause of Death: Measles as a child.

       iv.       CHRISTIAN "CHRIS" WIESE, b. March 1879, St. Louis City , MO; d. Unknown.

       v.       ALBERT CHARLES "CARL" WIESE, b. April 03, 1880, St. Louis, MO; d. October 1963, MO.

Notes for ALBERT CHARLES "CARL" WIESE:
He never married. He lived with Verona and husband on a farm in Bourbon. He also lived with his mother, Sophia in 1914 in St. Louis, MO.

More About ALBERT CHARLES "CARL" WIESE:
Fact 6: age 2 months. in 1880.

3.       vi.       HERBERT "HERB" CHRIS WIESE, b. February 05, 1883, Breeze, Clinton Co., IL; d. November 07, 1950, Bourbon, Crawford Co., MO.
       vii.       VERONA "RHONA" WIESE, b. September 23, 1887, Frogtown, IL; d. May 25, 1990, Steelville, Crawford Co., MO; m. CHARLES CHAPMAN, 1909, St. Louis, St. Louis Co., Missouri.

Notes for VERONA "RHONA" WIESE:
Individual: Chapman, Verona
Birth date: Sep 23, 1888
Death date: May 25, 1990
Social Security #: 487-68-4056
Last residence: 65565
State of issue: MO

Verona said on the tape that she was raised in the "store". Wieses and Schmidts lived next to each other in Warrenton, MO. They were on the Wabash Railroad. They had farms next to each other.

More About VERONA "RHONA" WIESE:
Fact 6: Have an interview tape with Ed and Lura Bangle on April 23, 1981 when Vernon 92.

Notes for CHARLES CHAPMAN:
Nephew of Charles desposed of personal belongings for Verona when she passed away.

More About CHARLES CHAPMAN and VERONA WIESE:
Marriage: 1909, St. Louis, St. Louis Co., Missouri

       viii.       CAROLINE WIESE, b. September 23, 1887, Frogtown, IL.

Notes for CAROLINE WIESE:
Info from Betty Greenwood gotten from Clinton Co. birth records. Mother was Sophia Lewedag age 36 and father was Christian Wiese age 46.


Generation No. 2

2. RUDOLPH3 WIESE (CHRISTIAN "CHRIST"2, WILHELM/WILLIAM1) was born 1869 in IL, and died Unknown in Uknown.

Notes for RUDOLPH WIESE:
WIESE, RUDOLPH 497-40-2375 MO 17 Nov 1905 Mar 1985 MO De Witt, Missouri 64639

Subj:        Re: Wiese
Date:       4/24/00 11:01:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:       liwagg@yahoo.com (linda hill)
To:       Leanne01@aol.com

The address given for Rudolph Wiese at the time of the report was for his wife. Which leads me to belive that he had died before
the report was done. There is a Mrs. Rudolph Wiese living at 10374 Lackland Rd, Overland, Missouri. Mr. &Mrs Elmer Wilson were living at RR1 in Glenco, Missouri. I know the addresses are old but my guess is this report was done before the 1950 Census, and they may give some clues. Perhaps Rudolph is buried in Overland, MO.
       
Children of RUDOLPH WIESE and LOUISE are:
       i.       HILDA4 WIESE, m. ELMER WILSON.
       ii.       VERONA WIESE.


3. HERBERT "HERB" CHRIS3 WIESE (CHRISTIAN "CHRIST"2, WILHELM/WILLIAM1) was born February 05, 1883 in Breeze, Clinton Co., IL, and died November 07, 1950 in Bourbon, Crawford Co., MO. He married ROSE ELLA SCHMIDT June 10, 1912 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO, daughter of GEORGE SCHMIDT and DOROTHEA WEISS. She was born December 01, 1892 in Pendleton, Warren Co., MO, and died August 19, 1945 in Torrance, Los Angeles Co., CA.

Notes for HERBERT "HERB" CHRIS WIESE:
There is an area around Breeze IL called Frogtown where Herb lived. On Herb's birth certificate, he is listed as the fifth child of Sophia. In the 1880 Census, Rudolf is listed in the relationship column as NR to Christian. This would seem to indicate that Rudolf was no relation to Sophia either, confirming that Herb was the fifth child of Sophia. In the 1900 census Sophia is listed as having had 11 children and six living at the time.
Buried Redondo Beach, CA 11-13-1950.

More About HERBERT "HERB" CHRIS WIESE:
Cause of Death: Heart Attack
Fact 1: Born in Clinton County, IL
Fact 2: November 13, 1950, Redondo Beach, CA
Fact 6: Connected with the oil industry of CA.
Fact 7: Member of Olive Branch Lodge No. 576 A.F.& A.M. of St. Louis MO.

Notes for ROSE ELLA SCHMIDT:
Her great-grandfather was born in Essen, Germany and her Great Grandmother was born in Brunswick. They both came to the U.S. in 1854 or 1855.

More About ROSE ELLA SCHMIDT:
Cause of Death: Cerebral tumor.
Fact 6: Lived on next farm over from Herb Wiese in MO.

Marriage Notes for HERBERT WIESE and ROSE SCHMIDT:
Rose had moved to CA at 18 or 19 years of age and went back to Mo to marry Herb at her Aunt Florence's house in St. Louis.

More About HERBERT WIESE and ROSE SCHMIDT:
Marriage: June 10, 1912, St. Louis, St. Louis Co., MO
       
Children of HERBERT WIESE and ROSE SCHMIDT are:
4.       i.       DR. JOHN HERBERT4 WIESE, b. January 15, 1917, Sherman, Los Angeles Co., CA.
       ii.       FLORENCE WIESE, b. 1919; d. 1919.

More About FLORENCE WIESE:
Cause of Death: died at birth.

5.       iii.       MABEL JANE WIESE, b. August 05, 1920, Redondo Beach, Los Angeles Co., CA.
6.       iv.       LURA ROSE WIESE, b. March 15, 1922, Hermosa Beach,CA.