Posted By:Gusman
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Subject:Re: Van Curen are we being flim flamd
Post Date:August 13, 2001 at 16:17:31
Message URL:http://genforum.genealogy.com/vansickle/messages/653.html
Forum:Vansickle Family Genealogy Forum
Forum URL:http://genforum.genealogy.com/vansickle/

MY RESPONSE IS WRITTEN WITH "CAPITAL LETTERS". THE INTENT IS NOT ONE OF SHOUTING BUT I WANTED TO PLACE MY RESPONSES WITHIN THE SYNTAX AND BODY OF YOUR POSTING. THE ONLY METHOD WHEREBY I FELT COMFORTABLE PLACING MY RESPONSE THEREIN IS WITH THE USE OF CAPITALS. SO I APOLIGIZE IN ADVANCE IF THE USE OF CAPITALS OFFENDS ANYONE - THAT IS NOT MY INTENT.


QUOTING MR. MCCOOL - "You are a very reckless fellow... NOT AT ALL RECKLESS BUT I DO SPEAK THE TRUTH AS I SEE IT.....AND MANY TIMES I CALL A SPADE A SPADE AS THE OLD CLICHE GOES....I CANNOT TOLERATE PEOPLE WHO EXAGERATE, WHO WRITE OR WHO SPEAK IN INNUENDOS, ALTER RECORDS OF ANY TYPE WITHOUT ACCOMPANYING THEIR ALTERATIONS WITH CONFIRMING EVIDENCE WHICH WILL JUSTIFY THEIR TAMPERING AND YES! WHEN I HAVE EVIDENCE THAT A PERSON IS LYING, I CALL THAT PERSON ON THE FALSEHOODS BEING PROJECTED, AND WHEN A LIE IS BEING EXPOUNDED I CALL THE INDIVIDULE A LIAR WITH NO ANDS', IFS' OR BUTS'....THAT IS HOW I WAS BORN, HOW I LIVE AND HOW I SHALL DIE......and, it seems clear, a man with no shame.....WHAT IS THERE THAT I SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF SAYING OR DOING???? IS IT FOR INSISTING THAT THE CERTIFIED BIBLE ENTRY AND THE EASTLING AFFIDAVITS ARE NOT DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PERJURED AND CONSEQUENTLY ARE "FILLED WITH ERRORS", IS IT FOR SPELLING A SURNAME USING THE EXACT SPELLING USED TO WRITE THE NAME BY THE PERSON WHO HAD THE SAME LAST NAME. PERHAPS IT IS THE LANGUAGE I HAVE USED IN MY POSTED RESPONSES. AS TO THE UNCALLED FOR LANGUAGE, I KNEW AS I WROTE IT THAT IT IS OBJECTIONABLE BUT WROTE IT ANYWAY BECAUSE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS OF ENDURING THE DIALOG THAT HAS BEEN DIRECTED TOWARD ME I WAS MERELY RESPONDING IN KIND TO THE TYPE OF RIDICULE AND LANGUAGE THAT I HAD BEEN SUBJECTED.

I am not Mr. Van Curen's mentor, but I would like to be yours.....IF I INADVERTENTLY LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT MY USE OF MENTOR WAS IN EVERY SENSE THE DIFFINITION PRESENTED BY THE DICTIONARY, I OFFER MY APOLOGY. I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED THAT YOU RAN WITH THE SAME PACK AS MY ANTAGONIST. MY ANTAGONIST HAS BEEN PLACING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW AND DOING SO IN DIALOG VIA E-MAIL. ALWAYS COMPIMENTARY TO YOU. I FINALLY HAD ENOUGH OF A MAN WHO CAN'T SEEM TO STAND ON HIS OWN CONVICTIONS. IN THE HEAT OF A MOMENT WHICH I SHOULD NOT HAVE PERMITTED TO OCCUR I MADE THE RUNNING IN THE SAME PACK COMMENT, NOT JUSTIFIED. AGAIN I OFFER MY MOST SINCERE APOLOGY.MY INTENT HAD BEEN TO HONOR YOURSELF BY USING MENTOR, NOT ONE OF INSULT.

I WOULD WELCOME YOU AS A MENTOR IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD, HOWEVER, I AM UNCERTAIN AS TO YOUR INTENT WHEN YOU MADE THAT OFFER. I HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO RIDICULE AND SARCASM SO OFTEN DURING THE NEARLY TWO YEARS OF THE MARIA VAN SICLEN CONTROVERSY THAT MY INITIAL REACTION IS ALWAYS ONE OF SUSPICION AND CAUTION.

If you will accept this arrangement, my first suggestion is that you "stand down." I WOULD LIKE TO "STAND DOWN" AND ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS PRIOR TO BRINGING THE MARIA VAN SICLEN SUBJECT TO THE INTERNET, I TERMINATED THE DIALOG FOR A FEW MONTHS AT A TIME. THEN ONE DAY WHILE BROWSING THE GENEALOGY FORUMS I READ WHERE TWO UNRELATED LADIES HAD ADDED THE EASTLING VAN SICKLEN LINAGE TO THEIR GENEALOGIES. I IMMEDIATELY SENT THEM E-MAIL NOTIFYING THEM THAT THE eASTLING/VAN SICKLEN CONNECTION WAS BASED ON FRAUDULENT EASTLING ENTRIES WHEN COMPARED AGAINST THE EASTLING CERTIFIED BIBLE ENTRIES AND AFFIDAVITS. I THEN POSTED THE DOCUMENTS I MENTIONED TO THE INTERNET AND EVERYONE READING THIS FORUM KNOWS "THE REST OF THE STORY." I WILL DROP THE SUBJECT WHEN THE DEBASEMENT OF THE AFFIDAVIT COMPONENTS CEASES AND TAMPERING WITH THE DATA IN THE CERTIFIED BIBLE ENTRY ALSO CEASES. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO DROP THE SUBJECT, I FEEL COMPELLED TO RESPOND WITH THE TRUTH MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENTS IN ORDER TO ALERT PEOPLE WHO INNOCENTELY ADD TO THEIR GENEALOGIES THE EASTLING LINKAGE AS READ IN THE VAN SICKLEN GENEALOGY. FRANKLY I COULD EVEN LIVE WITH THE FRAUDULENT VAN SICKLEN/EASTLING CONNECTION IF THE VAN SICKLEN GENEALOGY CONTAINED SOURCE FOOT NOTES ACKNOWLEDGING THAT NOTARIZED DOCUMENTS EXISTED WHICH REFUTE THE ALLEGED EASTLIN/VAN SICKLEN CONNECTION.

My second suggestion is that you begin to study genealogy, quietly and to yourself.......BEEN AT IT LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND WHAT I DO KNOW. NOUGH SAID ABOUT THAT.

IN CLOSING, I REPEAT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET OFF THE MARIA VAN SICLEN DIALOG AND WILL DO SO WHEN THE VANDALIZING AND DEBASMENT OF THE AFFIDAVIT DEPONENTS CEASE AND THE RESPECT DUE TO LEGALLY SWORN AND NOTARIZED DOCUMENTS OCCURS.

OR UNTIL THE WEB MASTER CUTS ME OFF. I AM SURPRISED THAT IT HAS NOT ALREADY HAPPENED.

THANK YOU FOR WRITING....WHATEVER YOUR INTENT MAY HAVE BEEN...I WAS INTRIGUED BY WHATEVER THE MESSAGE WAS THAT YOU WERE ATTEMPTING TO CONVEY.