|Subject:||Re: Van Curen are we being flim flamd|
|Post Date:||June 24, 2001 at 20:30:11|
|Forum:||Vansickle Family Genealogy Forum|
How about a post #216 by Linda and post335 by McCool.
Ferd Van Sycklin---1st & 2nd Generations, Flatlands, N.Y.
Van Sickelen---3rd Generation N.Y. Gravesend
Van Sicklen--4th Generations to present Brooklin, N.Y. & N.J
Van Sickler--4th Generation to present Loudoun Co. VA
VAN SICLEN--4th Generation to present New Lotts to Oyster Bay N.Y.
Van Syckle--4th Generations to present in parts of N.J.
Today the majority use the singular English VanSickle
This a rough guide to give an idea of the metamorphis of the family name. many variations are still in use all over the U.S. & Canada
THIS info. comes to me by way of notes made by the late Gene VanSickle.
Post # 335 excerpt
The father of Abraham^5 Van Siclen of New Lots, Kings County, Long Island, was Johannes^4 (Ferdinandus^3 Reinierse, Reinier^2, Ferdinandus^1) Van Siclen, who married Gertrude Lott. Johannes was a school teacher in New Lots. It remains unclear whether his son Abraham was born in Flatlands or New Lots.
In this same vein, it is important to note that the Van Siclens in Oyster Bay did not arrive in that township by way of New Lots. Instead, this is the line of Minne^3 (Ferdinandus^2, Ferdinandus^1) Van Sicklen. Minne^3 was born in Gravesend, Kings County, married in Jamaica, Queens County, and took up residence in Oyster Bay independent of, and in advance of, the Johannes^4 Van Siclen-Gertrude Lott family migrating to New Lots.
Cornelius Van Siclen, father of Maria Van Siclen, probably descended from one of the two Van Siclen lines mentioned by R. McCool. Estimated birth date for Cornelius Van Siclen is about 1755 plus or minus about 3 years.
I personally believe that correct spelling of surnames is vital for competent research. If not then why do both Linda and R. McCool make an effort to distinguish between the Van’s as in Sycklin descendents. Why don’t McCool and Linda, like Van Curen, indiscriminately mix the spellings or use a single spelling for all of the 4th generation shown by Linda above.
If the spelling of the 4th generation of Van Siclen was changed to Van Sicklen would that change the ancestry of McCool? If the 4th generation of Van Siclen was changed to Van Sickler would that change the ancestry of McCool? If the 4th generation of Van Siclen was changed to Van Syckle would that change the ancestry of McCool?
Are Van Curen – Van Buren the same person descended from the same progenitor?
I grow weary with your on going childish repetitious nonsense about “exact spelling”. Spell the names as they are found in historical records.
If you were qualified to analyze documents you would have noted that the single time Maria spelled Van Siclin she also spelled Van Siclen as in Father Van Siclen and when Fanny misspelled Van Siclen, Fanny also spelled Van Siclen correctly. Strange that you fail to notice those small details. I suspect that is the difference between a qualified analyst and a cherry picker like yourself. People skilled in the analysis of documents seldom if ever have a problem distinguishing between misspelled names and correctly spelled names.
No records in all of Canada for Cornelius Van Siclen. What a shame that is. Have you checked all of the various records through out Canada of our equivalent of the Justice of the Peace. Including those records that disappeared when the J.P's died. No Tax Records for Cornelius Van Siclen? Perhaps he rented, never owned land, perhaps the taxes were paid by someone else. Terrible when tax records can't be found if no tax records were ever billed or tax records prior to 1850 were lost.
I would guess that My Eastling grand parents were never born 1875 and 1885. There are no birth records, civil or church any place in the U.S. They were married in 1901 and there is no birth record, civil or church any place in the U.S. They must have been hatched and jumped the broom - you think maybe that happened or do you think I can safely use the memories of my mother, long dead, as a relatively accurate record for her parents.
I thought that the professional researcher named Mary earlier this year straightened you out about name alterations when she told you that the only thing the Fishkill birth record for Maria proved was that Maria was born to the Lossing lady named in the birth record. How soon you forgot.
Well Van Curen seems like you messed up on this one too – Van Curen - “Probably should check with the Archives in Montreal, too. Seems they have a lot of the records that you have claimed don't exist.” Only records I ever sent you or provided locations for in the Montreal Archives are locations and records sent to me by the Canadian gentleman in Canada, not certain but his name might have been Pudwell. You must be writing about the service record of Luther Calvin Eastling in the Glen Garry’s because that is the only record I recall sending you. . “Lot of records” do you know the difference between “one record” and a “lot of records”. Seems that Mr. Pudwell’s research skills might be more professional than yours? Couldn’t find the record? Would you like me to send his e-mail address, it’s not impossible he made a Key stroke error.
Keep this thought always in your mind Van Curen.
I came back long enough to force you into admitting that you have no Marriage record for Maria Van Sicklen and Luther Calvin Eastling. I have been more successful than I expected. I have become so wearied by your continuous childish prattling about things you can’t prove that I believe this will be my last posting to yourself – rave, insult, put down, slander, ridicule etc. etc. to your pea picking hearts desire.This is my final response to you . I will of course respond to anyone on this forum or by e-mail except yourself. I continue to have you filtered on outlook express so no need to attempt to send insults that way.
Maria Van Siclen’s 1814 bible entry of her marriage to Luther Eastling glistens, shimmers and sparkles like a diamond Tiara on the pinnacle of a Pharaoh’s obelisk in the rising sun of a beautiful day. Maria Van Siclen’s marriage record crushes all semblance of creditability for Van Curen’s link between the Eastling and Van Sicklen lineage’s.
You closed the book when you finally admitted you had no record of marriage for Maria Van Sicklen and Luther.