|Posted By:||Dav id Tarver|
|Subject:||Samuel Tarver, Thomas Tarver and the Briggs|
|Post Date:||May 31, 2011 at 18:18:02|
|Forum:||Surry County, VA Genealogy Forum|
Thanks for all the infomration and the kind words.
The citation involving Thomas Turvor possibly Tarver is interesting.
I located Thomas Tarver (Torver) initially on the Surry county, Va. tithables about 1683 or so. He was tithed with his son in law, Thomas Nicholas prior to 1700 and Thomas Nicholas filed a complaint against him along about the same time. Prior to this I had not found any citations involving Thomas Tarver.
It should be known as well that Thomas Nicholas owned land of 120 acres out of the same patent in which Walter Bayley (Bailey), a step-son of Thomas Tarver, obtained 320 acres in 1722 from William Thompson (all in Surry county, VA.)
James Stanton originally patented this land in a patent to him dated November 13, 1713. You will recall in the citation in which Thomas Tarver and his wife transfer the 200 acres to Arthur Long in 1747, James Stanton is a witness along with Anselm Bailey, Jr.
Walter Bailey also owned other land in the same area of the Nottoway Circular tract as George Briggs and Samuel Briggs. Walter Bailey and Anselm Bailey were brothers and step sons of Thomas Tarver.
Charles Briggs patented 275 acres (new land) Surry county, s side of the main Blackwater Swamp on north side of Proctor's branch, corner of his brother Samuel Briggs, by Assamosack swamp on the Nottoway Indian's line 16, June 1714 20 shillings import of 4 persons. p. 152 patent book 10 p. 170, Cavaliers and Pioneers ..Abstracts of Va. land patents.
To me, this puts Thomas Tarver and Samuel Tarver in the immediate area of the Assamoosick swamp by 1712 or so.
This area may have later been referred to as being in Brunswick county, Va. as in 1741 (Surry county, Va deeds 1742-1747 p. 8, Lease and Release...14-15 October 1741, Thomas Nicholas and his wife Lydia sells to George Briggs the 120 acres which Thomas Nicholas had obtained some years earlier out of the Stanton patent of 1713.
Now back to the relevance of all the above and a tie in to your note......It may very well be that Thomas Tarver was down in the Elizabeth City, NC area prior to the citations identifying him in Surry County, Va...as the citation you mention states as 1663 or so.
The second citation mentioning Joseph Rogers and his wife most likely has to be for another Joseph Rogers, other than the one who married Mary Fargeson (Ferguson) and had Sarah who eventually married John Tarver. Joseph Rogers, Sarah's father was born 1694 and died in 1752 leaving his will in Northampton county, NC.
The tie in to the Rogers clan may go way back in Surry County, Va., though. Joseph Rogers located in the early 1740's south of the Meherrin river in southern Va. very close to Thomas Tarver. It should be noted as well that John Tarver in 1737 in Brunswick county, Va. witnessed a land transaction involving John Fennel and Robert Hill of Brunswick county, Va. Thomas Tarver in about 1747 or so obtains a portion of the land this Robert Hill patented in 1724. This John Tarver eventually married Sarah Rogers as both families lived in the area south of Fountain's Creek and in Brunswick county, Va. at the time. Joseph Rogers moved into this area which is reference in deeds of Northampton county, NC. as the location must have originally been in Va. but later became NC.
I would like to discuss the land transaction in which you feel Samuel Tarver conveyed 100 acres of his land to George Briggs. As you know, the Briggs family members were very familiar with the Indians in the area of the Roanoke river and the Assamoosick swamp and were instrumental in assisting with various treaties which opened up the Nottoway Circular tract to the settlers.
I have more details on all of this, but wanted to give you a little and then when I have a little more time get into it in greater depth.
I feel that Thomas Tarver and John Tarver of the south Meherrin river area about 1737 to 1744 were brothers and sons of Samuel Tarver, the son of Thomas Tarver. I am leaning toward the Tarvers being in the area of Surry county, Va. which included the Assamoosick swamp area all alone as per records of Surry county, Va. John Tarver married Sarah Rogers about 1744-1750 or so as she is mentioned in her father's will as Sarah Tarver in 1752.
They eventually moved on into Edgecombe, and Johnston counties in NC.
Also, could you elaborate on the sensitive area just a little if you could. If you want contact me privately to do so.
Again, thanks for your infomration, which I will continue to study and discuss with you as I can.
David A. Tarver, age 63
near tulsa, ok