Posted By:Eugene Kipp
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Subject:News - Kipp DNA Study
Post Date:February 19, 2008 at 17:42:36
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Forum:Kipp Family Genealogy Forum
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Hello Fellow Kipp's and Kipp researchers.
Below is a current update on the Kipp DNA study that started last year by Edward Kipp of our Canadian Branch

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News - Kipp DNA study

We welcome all Kipp/Kip descendants (in the male line) to join the study to
test the Y-chromosome to help define the Kipp/Kip families located around
the world.

One of the goals of the study was to determine how many founder Kip/Kipp
families there are in the world. Thus far we have two distinct lines
belonging to the haplogroups I and R in subclades I1b1 (I1b is now I1b1 by
the International Society of Genetic Genealogy) and R1b1c .

A second goal of the study was to bring together the various branches of the
Kip family that first settled at New Amsterdam (now New York City) in 1635.
Three of the members of the Kipp DNA study have matched exactly on 12
markers. At 37 markers two members have matched 35/37. Mutations have
appeared in the two fast moving markers CDYa and CDYb (red on the chart).
Mutations in these two markers are quite common in family studies and often
assist in separating descendant lines. One member of the study has a paper
trail back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (b c 1600) and he is a descendant
Hendrick's son Isaac Hendrickson Kip (b 10 Jan 1627). The two members who
match 35/37 are at a minimum 7th cousins and to see the closeness of the
match is quite intriguing.

Haplogroups in Study

I1b1 is thought to have spent the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) in the Balkan
States and is mostly found in this area and Eastern Europe. Arriving in the
mid 1700s to Pennsylvania were three Kipp families who emigrated from
Rotterdam, The Netherlands (Michael Kipp, Johan Henrich Kipp and Johannes
Kipp). There is a Michael Kip baptized 07 Jul 1729 - Daseburg, Westfalen,
Preussen (Michael Kipp emigrated 13 Oct 1749 from Rotterdam). There are a
number of Johannes Kipp families in Germany in this time period (found in
Baden, Hessen and Wurttemburg). More people testing in this line would
assist in learning about this haplogroup line.

R1b1c is thought to have spent the LGM in Iberia (located in the border area
of Spain and France) and is found particularly in Spain, France, the British
Isles and other parts of western Europe. One member has traced his ancestry
back to the de Kype (Kip) emigrant family of New Amsterdam (originally
Alençon France) and the other two members have not yet found a paper trail
that links them to the emigrant Hendrick Hendricksen Kype (although their
DNA results place them in this grouping). Family studies that become
sufficiently large are often able to separate different descending lines and
in this case Hendrick Hendricksen Kip had three sons. Two of the members
have tested to 37 markers and the two "fast moving" markers CDYa and CDYb
both show differences Kit N18407 CDYa/CDYb = 36/39 and Kit 109884 CDYa/CDYb
= 37/38. Kit 109884 is a descendant of Isaac Hendricksen Kip. The ancestor
of Isaac Kipp (b 1764) is not known at this time but Isaac Hendricksen Kip
had six sons and the descendants of four of these sons have been traced to
varying degrees - the change could have occurred within these lines or it
could be a change between the three sons of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip or
later down the line. More members of the family testing could help to
develop familial patterns for this family. Family tree for Hendrick
Hendricksen Kype (Kip) found at :
http://ca.geocities.com/ekipp@rogers.com/kipfam.htm and select about half
way down the webpage - Descendants of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip in America;
9 Generations.

Edward Kipp