Posted By:charles lucas
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Subject:LUCAS FAMILY DNA STUDY
Post Date:April 21, 2004 at 08:39:17
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Forum:Charlotte County, FL Genealogy Forum
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Commentary on Lucas DNA Testing:

Well, I must say this DNA project has been most interesting.

Obviously my John Lucas born ca 1755 of Wayne appeared out of no where. A Lucas great aunt once told me no one knew where he came from. Out of all the families I have looked at, most leave trails from VA, etc. with wills, etc., or there is a family tradition of history of where the family came from. Nothing about our John Lucas.

There have been a few articles about the Sampson County/Harnett/Cumberland County Lucases having come from John Lucas of Wayne. I found that theory to be lacking-no paper trail. This set of Lucases came from a Lewis Lucas born ca 1755 and his probable father John Lucas.

While at first I dismissed the idea of a link between John Lucas of Wayne County, NC and Lewis Lucas of Sampson County, NC, I started to rethink the idea.

They were both born about the same time-they lived not too far apart.

Joseph Lucas brother of John Lucas had a land grant near present day Kirby's crossing of Wilson County, NC so the John/Joseph Lucas family actually settled on the edge of Johnston/Wayne. Johnston Wayne is near Sampson County, NC. This is in contrast to the families who settled in Nash and eastern Wayne/Dobbs County.

So I decided a DNA study might be worthwhile to see if there is a link between the John/Joseph Lucas family and the Lewis Lucas family.

I found a? cousin from Fayetteville who agreed to do the study with me.

When the results came in from Family Tree DNA- I was astounded.

First the results of the cousin from Fayetteville match completely with a set of Lucases on file with Family Tree DNA. One is in FL and one is in WA, and they both descend from a William Lucas son of Charles Lucas who was in Robeson County, NC in the 1790 census of NC who moved to Marlboro County, SC. .

This means that Charles Lucas/William Lucas of NC and SC and Lewis Lucas of Sampson County came from the same family.

The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr. was an avid genealogist. He published the genealogy of his Lucas family in a book entitled "Genealogy of the Dodson
(Dotson), Lucas, Pyles, Rochester, and Allied Familes." His book offers some insight into the ancestry of Charles Lucas of Robeson County, NC/Marlboro County, SC but it is not for certain where this Charles Lucas came from. Charles Lucas had two documented sons: William and Charles Daniel. William Lucas settled in Lexington County, SC. Charles Daniel Lucas moved about; he was in Kentucky, South Carolina and finally ended up in Alabama.

The interesting point here is when you look at the DNA pattern of the Lewis Lucas family and the Charles Lucas/William Lucas family and the worldwide distribution-several things are evident:

1) It is a most unusual DNA-not like many other DNA patterns.

2) It is found in only a few parts of the world (using the Y STR demographic pattern).

3) The origin of the DNA is in northern Germany-on the Baltic Sea; north of Hamburg, Germany. The DNA then spreads to the Netherlands, and to western Europe and down along the Danube River and down into Spain, Italy, and there is a small pocket in England in the area of Kent.

In the USA it is found primarily in the northern Chesapeake Bay area just north of Philadelphia. There is a small pocket in Massachusetts. There is one site in NYC. There is an additional site in western Virginia and eastern Kentucky. The number of sites this DNA is found is very few based upon the Y STR web site.

So what about my DNA or the John Lucas family.

The John Lucas family has 10/12 markers the same as Lewis Lucas and Charles Lucas/William Lucas based upon Family Tree DNA. Oxford University shows that the John Lucas DNA has 10/10 markers with the Lewis Lucas and Charles Lucas DNA. As a result Family Tree DNA is retesting the John Lucas DNA.

In any case, the DNA of all the above Lucases is so unique and is so close in comparison there is not doubt all of the above families are related.

Silas Emmett Lucas' genealogy and the uniqueness of the DNA pattern would show that the above Lucases were related and probably did come to NC and on to SC and GA from the Pennsylvania area.

There were other Lucas families as well in the US-a William Lucas of Surry County, VA but we have no DNA from that family.

There has been a Lucas Book written by AnnaBelle Kemp that outlines the origin of some Lucas family membership the USA. The Kemp book deals with the genealogy of the Lucas family of: Dallas, Texas; Prince George's County, MD; Frederick County, MD; Greene County, PA; Highland County, OH; Fayette County, PA.

Kemp relates that the first Lucas family of England was settled in Suffolk, England in the area of Cambridge and Bury St. Edmunds. The DNA patterns would confirm this.

At present we need more male Lucas cousins to supply a DNA sample.
This consists of a cotton swab being rubbed on the inside cheek for 2 minutes. The cost is $99 and the analysis is done by Family Tree DNA.

I have assumed responsibility for co ordinating the Lucas DNA study with Family Tree DNA.

There are over 700 family surnames currently having projects underway.

A good example is the Bolling family study

http://www.bolling.net/bolling/bfa_dna_participants.htm

If you will go to the above site you can see how participants are listed.
Everyone person submitting a sample is given a code number. No names are listed.

So what have we learned so far?

That the Charles Lucas/ William Lucas, and the John Lucas/Lewis Lucas, and the John Lucas/Joseph Lucas famililes are all related and came from a common family ancestor. The exact prior generation of commonality is not known.

There is a strong possibility there are other Lucas families of the US that are also related to the above family members.

Contact me for more information.


Charles Lucas MD
Email: cclmd@aol.com