Posted By:	Sonia Kuznetsov
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	Subject:	Re: Joseph and Mary 1851 and 1861
	Post Date:	December 05, 2012 at 16:06:07
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On the 1851 census there is this family which, with eldest child born 1841, is probably the Joseph who married in 1840, and wife is Mary. CLIFT, Joseph       Head       Married       M       38       1813       Gun Butch Forger       Dudley, Worcestershire        CLIFT, Mary       Wife       Married       F       36 1815              Studley, Warwickshire        CLIFT, Ann       Daughter              F       10       1841              Birmingham, Warwickshire CLIFT, Joseph       Son              M       4       1847              Birmingham, Warwickshire CLIFT, Benjamin       Son              M       3       1848              Birmingham, Warwickshire CLIFT, Rosanna       Daughter              F       1       1850              Birmingham, Warwickshire Piece: 2057 Folio: 384 Page: 24 Registration District: Birmingham Civil Parish: Birmingham Municipal Borough: Birmingham Address: 2, Court Lench Street, Birmingham County: Warwickshire 1861 census: It took me a while to find this family on the 1861 census. They have been recorded/transcribed as CLEFT. CLEFT, Joseph       Head       Married       M       46       1815       Gun Brick Forger       Dudley, Worcestershire        CLEFT, Mary       Wife       Married       F       46       1815              Studley, Warwickshire        CLEFT, Ann       Daughter       Unmarried       F       18       1843              Birmingham, Warwickshire        CLEFT, Joseph       Son              M       14       1847              Birmingham, Warwickshire CLEFT, Rosanna       Daughter              F       11       1850              Birmingham, Warwickshire        CLEFT, Mary       Daughter              F       9       1852              Birmingham, Warwickshire        CLEFT, William       Son              M       6       1855              Birmingham, Warwickshire        COOK, Lucy       Visitor       Married       F       65 1796              Studley, Warwickshire        Piece: 2154 Folio: 115 Page: 3 Registration District: Birmingham Civil Parish: Birmingham Municipal Borough: Birmingham Address: 5, Court 1, Price Street, Birmingham County: Warwickshire Clearly the same family. However, there is NO son Thomas. Nor can I find a likely young Thomas elsewhere, e.g. with grandparents. I cannot find this family in subsequent censuses, so they may have emigrated. Worth looking for them in the States? Name Rosanna is the most unusual, but could be married by 1870 of course ... Gives you something to work with anyway. On the other hand, another scenario is possible: A previous researcher in your family may have checked out the 'Jun' 1859 birth registration, found parents to be Jospeh Clift and Mary Blake, and recorded these facts. However, possibly that child Thomas died in DEc 1859, so that Thomas was NOT your Thomas .... Over to you to dig deeper .... Good luck!