Posted By:Gillian
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Subject:Re: Neville coat of arms
Post Date:January 14, 2009 at 05:28:44
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Thank you, Matthew, for your reply.

I always assumed, when passing the church at Lysos, that, yes! Cross pattees? It’s a *church*!! And yes! Fleur de lys? It was a *Frankish church*!!! In his book, “Heraldry in Cyprus”, on page 62, the author, George Marcou, has drawn the shields of Johan de Neville, 1390, and Neville, Viscount of Nicosia. He describes both as “lozengy”, but shows them with a criss cross pattern, which resembles a busy version of Neville, which, as you say, is a cross saltyre.

I have been unable (I have not seriously tried) to find out more about the history of this area during the Frankish period. I only know of signs on a nearby church of the marigold and the Hospitallers’ cross, and the presence, just down the road, of the remains of a Venetian monastery.

Both Braose and Neville families are associated with Abergavenny – but several centuries apart.

On www.knepp.co.uk “old knepp castle” Dr.Annabelle Hughes gives a date of William de Braose, holder of the castle, falling from favour in 1208, while Hugh de Neville stayed there in 1215. Might there ever have been a marriage between the two families? Why *should* anybody think that cross pattees and fleur de lys were the coats of arms of the Nevilles? Odd.

Thanks again,

Gillian.