| Posted By: | Carolyn La Porte |
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| Subject: | Re: Hawkins family of Toronto - Need more info please |
| Post Date: | April 14, 2012 at 22:14:50 |
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| Forum: | Ontario, Canada Genealogy Forum |
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Hi Donna, Hi Donna, Kathleen is right, so I looked for a death for Carrie in ON and found her death in 1935. She was born about 1879, not 1836 as you have. Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 about Carrie Muzettie Tolley Name: Carrie Muzettie Tolley [Carrie Muzettie Marshall] Death Date: 7 May 1935 Death County or District: York Age: 56 Gender: Female Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Birth Location: Ontario Father: James Taylor Marshall Mother: Sarah Jackson The image shows that she was born in ON April 13, 1879. She is a widow. Her father shown as born Indiana, USA, her mother born ON Name of informant f Mrs. A. Wilkins, 110 Huron St. , daughter She is buried at Prospect, Toronto She died of cerebral haemorhage and chronic nephritis – she died in the Toronto General Hospital I did not find birth for Carrie, but found what may be her parents in 1920 1920 LOCKPORT WARD 6, NIAGARA, NY MARSHALL James T., age 74, laborer, cider mill born IN both parents born IN Sara, age 65, born MI both parents born MI George T., age 21, son born NY father born IN mother born MI Mary V., age 19, daughter-in-law, born NY parents born Italy 1910 HARTLAND, NIAGARA, NY MARSHAL James, age 61, farmer, born IN father born Scotland mother born Ireland, 1st marriage, married 38 years Sarah A., age 55, wife, born Canada English, father born England, mother born Canada Irish, 1st marriage, married 38 years, 7 children born 6 living George T., age 12, son, born NY father born IN mother born Canada English Next door to them is the Holms family which I am giving you because I suspect the wife Maytie is daughter of James and Sarah HOLMES Arville, 47, farmer, born NY both parents born NY, 2nd marriage, married 9 years Maytie M., 28, wife, born Canada English father born IN mother born Canada English May, 8. daughter Olive, 6 daughter Arvile 4, son Myrtle, 2. daughgter Leon, 8/12, son All Holmes children born NY father born NY mother born Canada English **** there is a birth record in ON for Mattie May Marshall born May 4, 1882 Welland Co. to James T. Marshall and Sarah Jackson 1900 SOMERSET, NIAGARA, NY MARSHEL James, age 51, farmer, born Oct. 1848 IN father born Scotland mother born OH, married 27 years Sarah A., age 41, wife, born May 1859 Canada English father born England mother born Canada, married 27 eyars, 6 children born 5 living Maty M., age 18, daughter, born May 1882 Canada English (American citizen) father born IN mother born Canada English Olive, age 7, daughter, born Aug. 1892 NY father born IN mother born Canada English George, age 1, son, born March 1898 NY father born IN mother born Canada English I have not yet found Carrie with either of her husbands, but as her death shows daughter Mrs. A. Wilkins as informant I looked for any Hawkins girl who married a Wilkins man in ON. Here she is Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1928 about Jessie Florence Hawkins Name: Jessie Florence Hawkins Birth Place: United States Father Name: Herbert George James Hawkins Mother Name: meuzetta (Unknown Carrie Spouse Name: Albert Edward John Wilkins Spouse's Age: 22 Spouse Birth Place: Bethune Green, London, England Spouse Father Name: Edward John Wilkins Spouse Mother Name: Madeline Elliott Marriage Date: 21 Nov 1923 Marriage County or District: York The image shows Jessie’s birthplace as Toronto, ON, not United States as the above index entry says – she is 18 years old (so bon about 1905) I don’t know why the index says Unknown before Carrie as that is not how it is shown in the original Her husband born Bethnal Green, London, England- he is a tinsmith Witnesses are Edith Emma Moore and Harry Frederick Bird There is also a border crossing July 11, 1925, Lewiston, NY for Jessie F. Hawkins. She is shown born Ontario and is going to visit a cousin Eunis Hale in NY Jessie’s father is shown as Herbert of Sutton St., Toronto And another for her Feb. 20, 1909 parents Herbert and Meuzetta And her birth in ON Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Jessie Florence Hawkins Name: Jessie Florence Hawkins Date of Birth: 29 Mar 1907 Gender: Female Birth County or District: York Father's Name: Herbert Geo J Hawkins Mother's Name: Murzettie Marshall The image shows her mother as Muzethe Marshall. Her father is an engineer. The 1909 border crossing has both cards and a manifest so I went to the manifest which shown HAWKINS Herbert G. J., age 41, marine engineer Merzettie , age 31, wife, Frances L., age 6, child Jessie F., age 3, child They are going to Lyndonville, NY and nationality for all of them is shown as Canadian As this is another child shown I looked for her birth also – in the image it shows Carrie M. Marsha and then the page ends – looks like it is folded Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Frances Louisa Hawkins Name: Frances Louisa Hawkins Date of Birth: 22 Mar 1902 Gender: Female Birth County or District: York Father's Name: Herbert G J Hawkins Mother's Name: Carrie M Marshall I am a bit confused by your post as to Violet – was she a daughter of Herbert Hawkins an Carrie or of Carrie and second husband Tully ? From the above info Herbert and Carrie lived for some time in Canada – perhaps they moved back to US for a while, but I cannot find them in any census records Canada or US All of the above I found at ancestry.com I then went to familysearch.org where I found births of three more children Herbert George born Aug. 27, 1895 Nancy Meuzettie Eliza born Feb. 21, 1897 Menzettie Marguarite born Jan. 12, 1912 All born Toronto These are also at ancestry –(except for last one for Menzettie Marguarite. I went back to check so not sure how I missed them before – I guess I had entered mother as Carrie ? There is a death for Nancy – she died Feb. 25, 1900 York – she died of Phitusis, 4 months duration – address 54 Hackney St. And a death of a male Hawkins Dec. 25, 1905 – no name of age given but the address is 81 Hackney St. so close to where Nancy had died – could it be son Herbert George?? With birth of daughter in 1912 it means that the family did return from US after the 1909 border crossing. I went back to that border crossing in 1909 and saw that I had missed the second page which shows Herbert paid the passage for the family. It asks if ever in the US before and if so when Herbert says yes between 1901 and 1902 in Berkley, NY –the rest shown they had not been in US before Herbert is shown as born Barnett, England arriving July 1884 on the CIRCASSIAN Carrie shown born Clifton, Canada and the girls born Toronto Canada So I now realize I had been looking for him in census with a birthplace of New York From all of this it seems you have the wrong birth year and birthplace for him. With the proper info I found his death in Toronto Nov. 12, 1927. It says his parents were James Hawkins born England and Eliza Hawkins, born England – the informant at his death was Meuzettie Hawkins, his wife, address 55-1/2 Augusta Ave. Hervert was buried at St. James and died of Arterio sclerosis and cerebral hemorrhage. His occupation listed as Watchman. He must have died suddenly as place of death is shown as Ferry Dock I also found his birth in England which shows he was born St. Marylebone, Westminster to James and Eliza Hawkins – his baptism date was March 7, 1868. His father was an organist His birth is also at familysearch.org which shows birth date of Feb. 15, 1867, baptism March 7, 1868 - father James, mother Eliza (no maid name shown) I finally found him in a Canada census. He is in Toronto with his mother in 1891. 1891 ST. GEORGES WARD, TORONTO CITY, YORK HAWKINS Eliza, age 64, born England both parents born England Herbert, age 24, night watchman born England both parents born England There is a death of an Eliza Hawkins age 74,died April 29, 1900, address 54 Hackney – she died of bronchitis– matches with the address for death of Nancy 1901 TORONTO WEST, ON HAWKINS Herb, age 34, boarder, married, marine engineer, born Feb. 15, 1867 England, immigrated 1884 So this looks like Herbert, right job, married, born England but where is Carrie? ON marriage database on ancestry only goes to 1928 and I did not find Carrie’s second marriage which was probably after that time. I found Herbert coming to Canada in 1884, but indexed as HANKINS- he arrived Aug. 17, 1884, travelling on the CIRCASSIAN – with him was his mother Eliza, her occupation is listed as wife, so seems as though her husband should still be alive at that time, although he is not with them. They arrived at Quebec City This seems to be them in 1871 1871 ALL SOULS, MARYLEBONE, LONDON, ENGLAND HAWKINS Eliza, age 45, lodger, musician, born Hertford, married Herbert, son, age 4, born Middlesex So once again no husband/father with them I looked again for a marriage for James Hawkins and Eliza and there is a James Hawkins, age 27, teacher of music who married Eliza Wheatland, age 35, spinster - marriage Jan. 18, 1865 Battle bridge All Saints, Islington, London Witnesses William Edwards and Mary Ann Hawkins James father Thomas Hawkins, clerk Eliza's father Maskley Wheatland (or may be Markley), solicitors clerk ** I don't know for sure this its he right couple but as Herbert's father was listed as an organist and this fellow is a teacher of music it seems possible There is a death in 1875 of a James Hawkins, age 39 - died Lambeth, London so a possible for him I guess- no occupation shown and no wife's name shown There are several Eliza or Elizabeth Wheatland girls in census records, but none with a father with a name close to Maskley or Markley. I just found marriage for Francis Hawkins - she married William Cox May 24, 1926, she is age 18 born Toronto , he is age 21, born England her parents Herbert Hawkins and Meuzetta Marshall, (as written in image) His Albert and Emily Cox Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1928 about Francis Hawkins Name: Francis Hawkins Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908 Father Name: Herbert Hawkins Mother Name: Margetta Marshall Spouse Name: William Cox Spouse's Age: 21 Spouse Birth Place: England Spouse Father Name: Albert Cox Cox Spouse Mother Name: Emily Cox Marriage Date: 24 May 1926 Marriage County or District: York and Margettie Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1928 about Margettie Margaret Hawkins Name: Margettie Margaret Hawkins Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 Father Name: Herbert George James Hawkins Mother Name: Margettie Marshall Spouse Name: Stanley John Vandeburg Spouse's Age: 21 Spouse Birth Place: North Gellimbury; Ontario Spouse Father Name: Daniel Vandeburg Spouse Mother Name: Margaret Annie Robertson Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1925 Marriage County or District: York Image has mother as Meuzettie Marshall and Meuzettie Hawkins is a witness to the marriage. I think this is all for now, but if I think of anywhere else I can look for them, I will. Carolyn L |
