Posted By:J Christiansen
Subject:Re: Joseph Jess Jones
Post Date:October 25, 2012 at 10:03:54
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Forum:Arizona Genealogy Forum
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Is this “your” Carrie Groseclose?

Caddo County, Oklahoma
James A. Groseclose 55 b abt 1865 W Virginia parents b Virginia
Emma 47 b Ohio parents b Ohio
Charlie 27 b Kentucky
Farris 26 b Kentucky
Floyd 23 b Ohio
Bessie 21 b West Virginia
Howard 17 b West Virginia
Carrie Groseclose 14, daughter, born about 1906 in Kentucky
Bennie 12 b Kentucky
Paul 11 b Oklahoma
Carl 8 b Oklahoma

Caddo County, Oklahoma
James A Groseclose 46 b Virginia parents b Virginia
Emma R 37 b Ohio parents b Ohio
Charles L 17 b Kentucky
Faris E 16 b Kentucky [married Ruby, lived in Anadarko, Caddo, OK]
Maggie M 15 b Kentucky
James F 13 b Ohio
Bessie 12 b Virginia
Nellie J 9 b Virginia [she apparently married Eli Nelson in 1917]
Howard H 8 b Virginia
Cassie M 5 b Kentucky [ probably = Carrie; transcriber reading the rr as ss]
Benjamin F 3 b Kentucky
Paul S 1 year 5 months b Oklahoma

Carrie's brother:
1940 in Lincoln Township, Caddo, Oklahoma are
Farris E Grosclose and Ruby with children (children all born Oklahoma):
Albert E Groseclose b about 1923
Marvin R Groseclose b about 1925
Neva M Groseclose b about 1927
William G Groseclose b about 1929
Donald D Groseclose b about 1931
Charley F Groseclose b about 1933
Romona F Groseclose b about 1935

In another post (elsewhere on Genforum) you said Carrie Marie Groseclose (or Grossclose) married Ben Shipp, and that grandma (Carrie?) married Ed Probis on 29 August 1930.
Is he Edward Ezquil Probis
born 23 January 1887 in Howard County, Missouri
died 07 June 1946 in Maricopa County, Arizona
FATHER Charles S. Probis b Terra Haute, Indiana
MOTHER Mary Ann b Plainville, Illinois

As much as we can find out about a family, we cannot know who someone's biological parent is without a DNA test. We accept two people are biological parents if they are listed on a birth certificate (taking it on faith they are the biological parents).

I am adding info in the hopes that filling in the blanks of the families in your story might eventually lead to the missing birth certificate for your father.

Have you checked under various surnames? Remember we found his sister Garnett with surname Martin, and he had surname Jones, both using the surname of their adoptive/foster parent. Robert's birth certificate might be filed under Grosclose, or Shipp, or ... Ii suppose it could even be a different first name? The exact date and place of birth will be the clinchers.

I can see why you are finding it difficult to get to the bottom of your mystery!