Posted By:Char
Subject:Help with Ancestry lookup please
Post Date:February 10, 2012 at 17:37:43
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Forum:New South Wales, Australia Genealogy Forum
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I'm hoping someone can help me -
I have been at this brickwall for many years and now think there is a small crack appearing, but as I am not subscribed to Ancestry I can not get close enough to let loose with a hammer to the crack -
Can some kind person have a look at several public trees at Ancestry to see what is there? please ?
OK, This is what I have for my G-Grandfather Charles RICHARDS;

no birth year, no place of birth (his daughter, my Paternal Grandmother always said her father came from Cornwall)
No details on his marriage (1885) transcript except his name and occcupation - Engine driver

On my Grandmother's marriage (1927) transcript his occupation is Railway employee (deceased)(my Grandparents married several years after the birth of their youngest child, my father in 1922)

My niece found 2 possible entries from NSW records at Kingswood for Railway employees - (Charles and wife Ada lived in and around Dubbo, and then Newcastle, Cessnock, Wickham, so niece only chose those entries working around those areas) She found one born circa 1847 and retired 1917
I think, that is probably him - and the other was born circa 1867 and retired 1927 - for the following reasons I know this is not him -

From correspondances with the army regarding the death of Charles' son during WWI in 1917 - I have been able to ascertain that Charles died between 1920 and 1923 - In June 1920, one of his daughters states her father is living with her. In Oct 1923, another daughter states her mother is a widow -

Now at the NSW BDM indexes (online) between the period 1920 to 1924 there are the death registrations of 6 Charles RICHARDS. What makes this hard is the districts for all those deaths. Any one of them could be right - Although Charles had been living with one of his daughters in Newcastle, most of the other children (all adults) lived around the general Sydney area - My Grandmother lived in Ashfield/Summer Hill/Burwood(my father born in 1922 at Bankstown)- One of his daughters lived at Belmore/Punchbowl/Canterbury, another dau in Sydney/Nth Sydney, one in Newcastle, and a son in Hamilton. Charles and his wife Ada were separated and she lived at Punchbowl -

While my father was 'away at war' WW2 - my mother lived with her in-laws, and Mum remembers hearing that a couple of the relos were 'crazy' and died in mental hospitals and she thought one of them was my Grandmother's father - that being Charles RICHARDS - no idea if that is true, but thought I'd throw that in -

I recently found at the NSW immigration indexes, a RICHARDS family that came to Australia from Cornwall in 1855, aboard the 'SULTANA' with a son Charles born circa 1847 (I have found them in the 1851 Brit census - names, years of birth, places of birth all match the family that came here in 1855) -
they are: John RICHARDS b.c.1822 at St Clements Cornwall and Elizabeth b.c.1825 at Creed Cornwall (1851 census has Grampound but that is right near Creed) -
son John b.c.1845 Truro, son Charles b.c. 1847 Truro (census has Grampound), dau Elizabeth b.c.1850 Truro (census has Wales, but I'm sure it's the same family), dau Ellen b.c. 1855 << Ellen born in Plymouth Devon - probably born on the way to London to board ship to Australia -
That family is not to be found in subsequent census records -

Now my problem (aside from all that I've mentioned above) is there appears to be a number of family trees at Ancestry with my Charles RICHARDS (this I know because they have his wife and I can tell by the name of one of the trees that they connect up, some way, to children of Charles) but they have a year of birth 1869 no death date that I can see without subscribing, AND they have parents John RICHARDS and a Mary WHITE - I've checked the census and there are that couple with a son Charles b.c. 1866 and at Rootsweb, someone has two of the daughters who ended up in Vic Australia (I contacted that one at rootsweb but the owner of the tree said he had no immigration details for those two or anything on the Charles)

Without a death date for Charles, and without seeing what those 'tree's have at Ancestry, I'm sort of stuck -

Could someone kindly please look up Public member trees to see what they have on Charles?

In the search box, I put:
Charles Richards born Cornwall England -
Spouse Ada SPROULE, (her full name was Ada Alice Creighton SPROULE, but I didn't input that)
married Dubbo (they were married in 1885 but I didn't input that)
and Charles death: NSW Australia

Several trees came up; wynne Family Tree ( that would have to connect to Charles daughter Enid who married a WYNNE) the other trees are: Turner/Shaw Family Tree (both those trees have his parents as John RICHARDS & Mary WHITE) there are a couple of other trees, but they don't have parents.
I need to know if they have a death date etc and hopefully immigration details - If the death date is after 1923, then I know they have errors -

I do apologise for the long winded post, but I wanted to be sure to include everything I have

Many many thanks in advance

In Fellowship
Kind Regards