Posted By:Joan E. Rambo
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Subject:Re: Talitha GRAVES and John YATES
Post Date:March 24, 2013 at 10:12:37
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Thank you for your reply, yes John Yates on the 1840 census Searcy Co, AR is my ancestor.

I believe there is just one Rueben Yates in MO in 1830. Note Jackson and Cole counties are along a waterway making it easy to move and Rueben did a lot of that.

Jackson Co, MO 1830 shows Rueben with 1 male under five, "2" males five to ten, 1 ten to fifteen etc

Cole Co, MO 1830 shows Rueben with "2" males under five, 1 five to ten, 1 ten to fifteen etc.

Total members in the household is the same, I think one boy was close to the cut off date between the first two categories.

Unlike what some people think, the censuses prior to 1850 are helpful, if you pay attention.

Family tradition says Rueben was a shoe and saddle maker. In those days most people would only need one saddle and one pair of shoes, so he probably moved on when the market was filled. He never owned land and from location of birth of his children he certainly did move around.

Not sure where you found John Yates and Talitha Graves were married in Texas. First child was born 1839 in AR and that runs through 1849. The first child born in Texas wasn't until 1853. After Talitha died in 1872, John did remarry and that was in Texas.

Talitha was her name, she did have a nickname, but no one knows how to spell it. The descendant of one of her daughters had heard it pronounced, but doesn't know how to spell it. She tried several variations in her letter to me, but between us we still aren't sure of the spelling, wish I could hear her pronounce it. Adding to the confusion in the Goodhope Cemetery in Denton, TX there are two headstones next to each other. One is laying flat down the other is upright.

Talitha C.D. wife of John Yates born 1820 - died 1872

Talitha Kuney A R Yates age 52

When I visited the cemetery, Grover Rue was still alive and he looked over the cemetery. There were no records to show why there were two headstones and if they were for different ladies, or not.

I'm trying to pinpoint where did John and Talitha get married? Family tradition says John was out bear hunting with his dogs and apparently tangled with a bear as his clothing was torn and he stopped at a "plantation." Lady who answered the door sent him around to the back for a slave to get him some clothes. Her daughter was standing behind her giggling -- that was Talitha. Was it her giggling that caught John's attention???

Descendants of his younger brother Avery said he looked up to John because he was a bear hunter. So, it would seem the story has some credence.

Now, where was John bear huntng???? LOL