Re: Nathaniel & Dororthy Cartmell
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Re: Nathaniel & Dororthy Cartmell
5/20/99
I have gone back to research the Sir William Pole, the antiquarian, whose grandson was supposedly father to Dorothy Poole Cartmell.(Now I have to recall where I read that Dorothy was daughter of a William, to make the full connection.)
The Dict. of Nat'l Biography had a full page on Sir William, the antiquarian.Moreover,his mother comes from a prominent family, and her father is in the Dictionary of Nat'l Bio also.Sir William Pole, the antiquarian, lived 1561 to 1635, from Colyton, Devonshire, son of Sir Wm Pole, knight, of Shute in the same county.The antiquarian's mother was Catharine Popham, daughter of Chief Justice John Popham, who presided at the trials of the Earl of Essex, of Sir Walter Raleigh, and of the Guy Fawkes conspirators.Popham was also connected with the Virginia Company and the Plymouth company.He has an entry in John Aubrey's famous "Brief Lives"--Aubrey said Popham was a "huge, heavie, and ugly" man, but he revived brick-working in timber- built London, and he sent out many settlers to the colonies; he "stockt and planted out of all the gaols of England"--so I may owe him for other branches of my family!
The antiquarian married first Mary d 1605, daughter and co- heiress of Sir Wm Peryam, who also has an entry in the Dict. of Nat Bio.They had 6 sons and 6 daughters.One of the sons, another William "matriculated from Oriel College, Oxford, on 24 March 1609-10, graduated BA on 3 Nov 1612, entered the Inner Temple in 1616, and emigrated to America, where he died on 24, 1674."(I think this is Dorothy Poole's grandfather; her father being the 4th William Poole in a row.)
The antiquarian's entry also mentions the one I called the Grande Dame. "Sir Williams's daughter Elizabeth (1588-1654) also emigrated to America, and took a prominent part in the foundation and incorporation of Taunton in 1639-40, where she died on 21 May, 1654."Taunton Mass. was where the first ironworks in America were started.
Sir William made a large collection of historical documents, later used to write a history of Devonshire, but most of them perished-- after his death-- during the English civil war.The name Pole was pronounced Pool, and so various Pool and Poole families descend from them.The pronunciation "Pole" as in fishing pole or May pole was considered common. The Mass. family apparently changed the spelling early.
The entry aso said "The family originally came from Wirrell in Cheshire, and apparently had no connection with the dukes of Suffolk of that name or with Cardinal Pole's family."A duke of Suffolk had been heir to Richard III before his overthrow.Cardinal Geoffrey Pole was the one almost engaged to Bloody Mary by the Pope.But he refused to leave holy orders, and later died the same day as Queen Mary.
I too descend from the Poole and Cartmell lines thru the Chester connection. and the Chester's Reynolds descendants.Documents on them are pretty thin on the ground in SC.
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